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    Default Obamacare is ruled constitutional

    What do you think?

    I already see people whining and saying it's ruining our freedom. For people who have government healthcare in their countries, are you guys struggling anymore than the US? Why are people so mad here in the US about it?

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    Eh. Americans are just finicky about everything every president ever does, ever. And we always swear each decision is violatin' our constitutional rights if we don't agree with it.

    We Americans hate change. Nuff said.














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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsNotBrad View Post
    Eh. Americans are just finicky about everything every president ever does, ever. And we always swear each decision is violatin' our constitutional rights if we don't agree with it.

    We Americans hate change. Nuff said.
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    Im happy about the ruling cuz im graduating soon and currently my moms healthcare states that one im out of school im off. Now I get 5 extra years.

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    The U.S. is angry because, due to the nature of the US, we have many very wealthy people. Those people tend to have a significant amount of power. They feel it is unfair that they are allowed to keep less of the money they earn so that the government can pay for people who are too lazy to get jobs to go see the doctor.

    Obviously, you can see where I stand on the issue. I have no problem with healthcare for those still in the process of making a life in which they can support themselves independent of any government assistance. I do have a problem with all the people who make no attempt at an education OR career, and are still supported by the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zachharrison2010 View Post
    The U.S. is angry because, due to the nature of the US, we have many very wealthy people. Those people tend to have a significant amount of power. They feel it is unfair that they are allowed to keep less of the money they earn so that the government can pay for people who are too lazy to get jobs to go see the doctor.

    Obviously, you can see where I stand on the issue. I have no problem with healthcare for those still in the process of making a life in which they can support themselves independent of any government assistance. I do have a problem with all the people who make no attempt at an education OR career, and are still supported by the government.
    What about people who have jobs that don't provide healthcare and they don't get paid enough to afford it? Idk if you've been paying attention but its called the AFFORDABLE Care Act not the Free Care Act.

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    Whatever. The most controversial part, namely the individual mandate, isn't all that sweeping to begin with. I wouldn't have cared if they had struck it down. The measure which allows me to stay on my dad's health insurance past adulthood is all I care about.
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    Roberts is the smartest guy in Washington. His ruling is unmitigated genius.

    He insulated the Supreme Court from criticism from the Left, leaves the issue as a campaign issue for the Right, makes everyone recognize that the ACA is a TAX, AND manged to curtail the runaway powers of the Commerce Clause.
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    While I'm not surprised by the Obamacare ruling, I'm surprised by how they justified it. I really thought Roberts would say that Congress has the right to regulate commerce; therefore, the individual mandate would be constitutional.

    I think that Roberts is more sensitive to the legitimacy of the Court. I haven't read much into the opinion, but I figured that he would rule in favor, write the opinion, and restrict it. This way, he would make liberals happy, but the conservatives would appreciate the restrictions. I'm not sure how much it was restricted, though, if at all.

    I'm undecided about Obamacare. I see its pros and cons. I say that we should give it a try at least. It may help. If things go badly, then it could be repealed I assume. I'm not too crazy about buying insurance when I turn 26 since I'm considered high risk, but maybe this will help our country somehow.
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    Under the ACA they can't hike your premiums for being high risk so it shouldn't be too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Times
    “Obamacare was bad policy yesterday; it’s bad policy today,” said Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, in remarks before the Capitol building. “Obamacare was bad law yesterday; it’s bad law today.”
    "But six years ago when I enacted it in Massachusetts it was great policy"

    Once again I wonder how Romney sleeps at night.

    Quote Originally Posted by zachharrison2010 View Post
    The U.S. is angry because, due to the nature of the US, we have many very wealthy people. Those people tend to have a significant amount of power. They feel it is unfair that they are allowed to keep less of the money they earn so that the government can pay for people who are too lazy to get jobs to go see the doctor.

    Obviously, you can see where I stand on the issue. I have no problem with healthcare for those still in the process of making a life in which they can support themselves independent of any government assistance. I do have a problem with all the people who make no attempt at an education OR career, and are still supported by the government.
    Oh good, then you should have no problem with the healthcare bill, given that the purpose and consequence is to allow more equal access to private healthcare rather than providing it as a taxpayer-funded public service. It's essentially the same plan proposed by the Heritage Foundation in the 90s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Quick View Post
    "But six years ago when I enacted it in Massachusetts it was great policy"

    Once again I wonder how Romney sleeps at night.
    Comfortably, atop a giant pile of money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fball51 View Post
    Comfortably, atop a giant pile of money?
    "Uh, I'm not comparing dads, it's just that yours is in his underwear swatting at invisible owls."

    If you get the reference, my reaction was pretty much the same as Steve's.
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    People who hate Obama dont like the ruling

    People who like Obama are OK with it

    Its generally a personal issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Quick View Post
    "Uh, I'm not comparing dads, it's just that yours is in his underwear swatting at invisible owls."

    If you get the reference, my reaction was pretty much the same as Steve's.
    Unfortunately, I don't get the reference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fball51 View Post
    Unfortunately, I don't get the reference.
    Well, I suppose I can't blame you for not watching American Dad. As funny as some of the episodes are, even I cringe a lot at the bald-faced political slant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali-31 View Post
    Oi! We'll be having none of that here!
    Yorkshire is a beautiful green & pleasant land. Yes we may be a bunch of tight, miserable buggers but at least we don't have to put up with Southerners. Any who arrive by accident are immediately packed off back down south.

    As for the actual thread now we've dealt with the blatant racism on show there by Ali
    Just chill Americans, we've had it for 60 years, it's brilliant if you fund it properly.

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    This can potentially result in the loss of roughly. . . I believe 800,000 jobs is what was predicted. Guess we're just gonna see, huh?
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    How can treating more people in a healthcare system lead to less jobs in healthcare?

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    from my knowledge on subject i dont see much problems about your healthcare reform. I guess it again boils down to what mr. quick often says that Americans dont trust each other.

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