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    Quote Originally Posted by AceKevin View Post
    I feel like 8 different ways about this.

    Like I mean, sweet, cops have triple incentive not to raid the wrong house and brutally murder innocents.

    But I also think it just adds another straw to the insane gun culture of the US.

    Like I don't want our cops armed, but how can we possibly go about dismantling the overwhelming love of guns in US society? I massively distrust 95 percent of people who own guns, and I usually take gun ownership as a sign of massive distrust of people in general.

    I dunno, I just fear for my life every fucking day because of this kind of shit. Cops have guns, everyone in my state has guns, how can I ever feel safe?
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    lol not in the slightest. I mean, I've shot guns before, it's pretty cool. Not to say that I don't have an issue with the idea of guns in the first place, because I mean, if you own a pistol and aren't into sport shooting, you are stating your willingness and intent (given certain circumstances) to take a human life. That's what pistols are for.

    But guns are tools. The people who own them is where my real issue lies, because, welp, it's everyone in my state, and a staggering number in the nation beyond that. And if you believe, as I mentioned, that ownership of a pistol is a clear indication of your ability to take a life, then that speaks a lot about the people who own guns, to me.

    I don't feel safe, ever, because of the proliferation of guns and laws like castle doctrine and stand your ground. I don't feel safe because I know that I can be shot on the street by someone who misinterprets my body language or something and feels threatened. I don't understand that level of mistrust in your fellow man, much less your fellow citizens. I mean, I understand it, murder rates look pretty high, but we live in a world which is so astronomically safe compared to the whole of human history, that it genuinely belies serious mental stability issues to feel so constantly unsafe that you feel the need to own a device purely for the killing of a human being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceKevin View Post
    lol not in the slightest. I mean, I've shot guns before, it's pretty cool. Not to say that I don't have an issue with the idea of guns in the first place, because I mean, if you own a pistol and aren't into sport shooting, you are stating your willingness and intent (given certain circumstances) to take a human life. That's what pistols are for.

    But guns are tools. The people who own them is where my real issue lies, because, welp, it's everyone in my state, and a staggering number in the nation beyond that. And if you believe, as I mentioned, that ownership of a pistol is a clear indication of your ability to take a life, then that speaks a lot about the people who own guns, to me.

    I don't feel safe, ever, because of the proliferation of guns and laws like castle doctrine and stand your ground. I don't feel safe because I know that I can be shot on the street by someone who misinterprets my body language or something and feels threatened. I don't understand that level of mistrust in your fellow man, much less your fellow citizens. I mean, I understand it, murder rates look pretty high, but we live in a world which is so astronomically safe compared to the whole of human history, that it genuinely belies serious mental stability issues to feel so constantly unsafe that you feel the need to own a device purely for the killing of a human being.
    but not even majority of gun owners are like that though. Infact most of the gun owners i know are non violent people who are just concerned about the safety of their home's and loved ones, and if you don't think YOU would take a life in order to protect that then you underestimate yourself, and the nature of the human will.

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    Acekevin, your problem isn't with police. It's not with people. It's not with guns. It's not with people owning guns. Your problem is that you're paranoid as fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceKevin View Post
    I don't feel safe, ever, because of the proliferation of guns and laws like castle doctrine and stand your ground. I don't feel safe because I know that I can be shot on the street by someone who misinterprets my body language or something and feels threatened. I don't understand that level of mistrust in your fellow man, much less your fellow citizens. I mean, I understand it, murder rates look pretty high, but we live in a world which is so astronomically safe compared to the whole of human history, that it genuinely belies serious mental stability issues to feel so constantly unsafe that you feel the need to own a device purely for the killing of a human being.
    Maybe the difference between you and them is simply that they have more faith that guns will keep them safe than you do.
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    oh dear. i doubt the police will be very pleased with all of this.

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    Seems to me that the law only allows use of deadly force against officers who try to unlawfully enter private property. Saying that Indiana "legalized shooting cops" isn't entirely accurate. Anyway, like the dude said in the article, the cases in which this law could apply are very rare.
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    Number 1: This will never pass in the state of FL.


    Number 2: I think it sucks that it won't.


    Number 3: What David- said.

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    there will be way more dead cops, as well as civilians. What most dont always think of, is that cops, just like most military personell are trained to pretty much immediately go for a killshot if they feel sufficiently threatened. That said, if they go anywhere (even unlawfully) that training will kick in regardless of their reasons for being there, hence they are even more likely to shoot first and ask questions later. Besides, unless even the cops dont trust each other, if a cop unlawfully enters a home, shoots the owner who pulled a gun, what do you think responding officers would believe mostly "i saw blah blah insert suspicious activity and entered" or immediately suspend and investigate the cop? Sure, said cop may get grilled down the road, but i bet he would go home to a warm bed with little thought to consequences. Another thing to think of (at least from my experience of living in the south where the police protect their own a little more than most places) is that even if the cop unlawfully entered for example, how often do you think the civilian who gunned down a cop would make it safely to the precinct when he is riding in the back of an interceptor which could very easily be driven by, perhaps good friends of aforementioned dead cop? In a summary, i see more people thinking they are within rights to kill police officers, more cops shooting civilians because they know damn near anyone would have a chance of pointing a gun at them, and alot more of those cop killers or just shooters getting severally beaten, if not killed by other cops who most likely would and should be upset about something that happened to a possible close friend of the police force.

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