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    I have no problem with him really, I don't see why people point out all the bad things he's done without even mentioning any of the good things he's actually done as a president. Then again, I'm not one to say yay or nay about politics.
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    He's easily the worst president of all time and it's not even debateable at this point. George W. Bush looks like a saint when compared to this guy. He's so bad he makes Mitt Romney look good.

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    A family friend of mine recently died from breast cancer. And another family friend just had to go into surgery to get a cyst removed that could've become cancerous. That shit really isn't a joke and I think it's wonderful that women can get themselves checked out even if they can't afford it. We don't need any more people in this country dying early. Obama definitely isn't perfect and there's some shit I'm downright just NOT happy with him over. But you can't deny that he's saved many lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasCOUNTRYrc13 View Post
    He's easily the worst president of all time and it's not even debateable at this point. George W. Bush looks like a saint when compared to this guy. He's so bad he makes Mitt Romney look good.
    I've said it before, I'll say it again: anyone who says that Obama is the worst president of all time forfeits his right to speak with any authority on politics ever again.
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    The amount of people who have 0 concept of US history of government baffles me. You take US History all through elementary school, in middle school, in high school, and you have to take it in college if you decide to pursue higher education. HOW THE HELL DO YOU MANAGE TO NOT RETAIN ANYTHING?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StupidBetch- View Post
    The amount of people who have 0 concept of US history of government baffles me. You take US History all through elementary school, in middle school, in high school, and you have to take it in college if you decide to pursue higher education. HOW THE HELL DO YOU MANAGE TO NOT RETAIN ANYTHING?
    haah its simple. people believe the media, and dont realize what it takes to actually run a country. you cant please everyone..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evlmstr View Post
    I've said it before, I'll say it again: anyone who says that Obama is the worst president of all time forfeits his right to speak with any authority on politics ever again.
    Well shit, since you said it...guess I'm forfeiting my rights.

    Nah, that's the great thing about freedom of speech. I can spread the word about how garbage our president is and every dumbass in the world can do the opposite. I can't comfortably invest any of my money knowing there's a chance he's reelected. He pays off the nation debt as quick as he wants to and the economy's fucked. It's a slow process. I'm posting on an iPhone, I'm not going into intricate detail.

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    Mitt Romney doesn't support the use of medicinal marijuana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasCOUNTRYrc13 View Post
    Well shit, since you said it...guess I'm forfeiting my rights.
    Well don't listen to me if you don't want to. You just won't be taken seriously by any of the informed people here.

    I can't comfortably invest any of my money knowing there's a chance he's reelected. He pays off the nation debt as quick as he wants to and the economy's fucked. It's a slow process. I'm posting on an iPhone, I'm not going into intricate detail.
    What are you babbling about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasCOUNTRYrc13 View Post
    Well shit, since you said it...guess I'm forfeiting my rights.

    Nah, that's the great thing about freedom of speech. I can spread the word about how garbage our president is and every dumbass in the world can do the opposite. I can't comfortably invest any of my money knowing there's a chance he's reelected. He pays off the nation debt as quick as he wants to and the economy's fucked. It's a slow process. I'm posting on an iPhone, I'm not going into intricate detail.
    Given the current state of the economy, now is not the most opportune time to be worrying about the debt. During economic downturns, particularly severe ones, tax receipts implode and spending increases dramatically, creating a huge increase in the deficit. The only way to counterbalance this bloated deficit is to raise taxes substantially and/or dramatically cut spending, both of which are very destabilizing during poor economic times and would likely cause our economy to go back into recession, just as the UK has done as a result of their austerity program. Moreover, by forestalling recovery such a move would prolong our economic weakness and cause it to take longer before we'd have the economic muscle (and consequent increases in tax receipts) to start paying down the debt without instituting crippling tax rates or cutting critical services.

    In short, focusing on the debt now is like spending your unemployment benefits on paying off old debts instead of on looking for a new job. Right now, increasing our national "income" back to more normal levels is more to our long-term economic advantage than paying down the debt. In about 4 years our economic situation ought to have improved somewhat; that will be the right time to start making serious deficit-reduction efforts. Coincidentally, it's also when Obama will leave office and the Republicans will be bringing out their big-boy candidates to make a serious play for the White House, as opposed to the circus that they gave us this year.
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    Yeah well regardless of what I think I'm gonna have to apologize for the way I handled myself when I spoke on the subject. Clearly Obama bothers me to a similar extent that Romney bothers you. I wasn't presenting a clear argument anyways, I was just ranting aimlessly. It's kind of ignorant, kind of disrespectful to rational people like yourselves, my bad. We all have off days lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyboy1029 View Post
    What is there to praise him about? He said that he would cut military spending when he got office, and he has already spent twice as much on the military then bush did in both his terms put together. He has done nothing but make this economy worse, he is possibly the WORST president we have ever had, hes giving Bush a run for his money thats for sure..
    Any facts to back this claim up? Pretty sure that's not true. Obama ending the Iraq War will save a ton of money by itself.

    He's been fine. Not 10/10 or anything. But fine. Probably a 6.5/10. Better than most, but not amazing.

    But let's not compare him to Bush. That's an insult. Bush turned a record surplus (that he inherited from Clinton) into a record deficit. Not exactly something to be proud of. Obama is at least moving in the right direction.

    The economy is getting better, slowly but surely. Unemployment has gone down under Obama, slowly but surely. He ended the Iraq War, he implemented much needed health care reform (that didn't go far enough, but it's a start), he gave better benefits to veterans, tax cuts for small business, tax increases for those that haven't been paying enough, lifted restrictions for Cuban-Americans, expanded Pell grants for low-income university students, signed financial reform law, cut prescription drug cost, repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell, and created more private sector jobs in 2010 than Bush did in his entire 8 years.

    It's easy to listen to the media say he's been a bad president. But the fact of the matter is that he's been pretty decent.

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    While all that may be well and good, saying that Obama ended the Iraq War is somewhat disingenuous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahometan View Post
    While all that may be well and good, saying that Obama ended the Iraq War is somewhat disingenuous.
    Well better put would be he is ending the war for your soldiers. A good thing by the way.

    If it comes to foreign relations (and honestly that's the only part I can really comment on... I don't know enough about your national political issues, though I do recall Obama saving General Motors which is now doing a fine job as a good company again right? Or was I wrong?). Anyway only thing I really can commen on is foreign relations and the rate how much foreign people respect the USA.

    I'll be straight honest and put it down how it is:

    Romney's candidacy: We laugh about him and we consider his foreign politics to be the same as Bush's. Any USA politician who uses the following words is a total joke to us:
    When America is strong, the world is safer. It is only American power—conceived in the broadest terms—that can provide the foundation for an international system that ensures the security and prosperity of the United States and our friends and allies.
    Really we take this as a straight offense. This statement above is so egocentric. No matter if it's right or not it's down straight insulting.

    Obama's presidency: We respect and like him.
    Bush's presidency: We hate him. (yes not dislike, but hate)
    Clinton's presidency: We loved him.

    Anyway I know people who are against Obama will say to me: 'We don't care about what you guys think'. Sure I understand that, that does make sense indeed. But I don't mind that, I'm just saying how for example the dutch in general think about your nation.

    Oh wait and I didn't even say that most dutch actually 'hate americans', all due to Bush's presidency. I don't hate americans but really I know many people who will have no good word left about it. Though those people barely have decent arguments but it's always bush this bush that. So yeah I do guess Bush is to blame. Obama on the other hand has made opinions better.

    So my opinion is, on foreign policy Obama is the best choice. Also cuz he's not so fire triggy. He won't go into war that easily. That's a good thing. And Obama is good in diplomatic relations as I just said... if people think highly of you you'll manage better in foreign policy.

    Who's better for your national issues? I can't say, I'm no expert on that. Though I do live in a country with healthcare for all. We allow all women to have an anticonception pill, we allow all women to be checked on certain times for uteruscancer (or early stages, and it works), we allow all women to be checked for breastcancer and we allow everyone acces to healthcare. What I'm trying to say is... I do think that's a good thing and I'm glad Obama is trying to achieve that. It would be a devestating loss for many americans when Romney revokes that.

    About the economy of your nation I don't know much. Then again I have my own worries in my country about the economy. And we also have general elections coming up. On the 12th of September to be exact. It will be going between socialists (yes real socialists) and liberals (you can compare those to democrats/obama). And under that we have a lot of other parties. We'll have to make a coalition out of parties with very different opinions and ideologies.... I've no idea how... but we'll see.

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    The thing is the war in Iraq was planned and programmed to end at the time Obama ended it by the Bush administration. All the work had been done by the Bush administration, and when Obama came to power, his actions didn't alter the withdrawal from Iraq. I suppose he can be credited with the gradual withdrawal from A'stan though.
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    When it comes to foreign policy, American politicians generally hold the same views regardless of political party. "Success" really depends on proper prioritization, attitude, and execution. I really don't see Obama doing anything substantially different from Bush, although his attitude is quite different (in a good way, I think). A lot is based on image, imo.

    It's obvious that foreign policy is not Romney's forte, because the man has made some downright bizarre statements that the media has overlooked. But even so, I doubt anything of substance would change much with him in office.
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