Atheists make better friends than christians...

[Lm_Rich]

Why is it so hard for you to believe that both atheists AND Christians can be assholes sometimes? Why does it have to be exclusively one or the other?

B/c if an atheist voices their opionion theyre shoving their belief down ur throught but if a christian does it their showin their faith. I can be a bigoted assfuck when it cones to religion but atleast i can admit it

[MyNameIsNotBrad]

My guess is it sparked a conversation during which he confirmed that he is in fact Christian.

Not so much a conversation....



-finds CD- Oh, thank God!


(jokingly) -laughs- You a Christian or something?


Yea


Oh....okay.


Life continued on, but he began to make wise cracks at my religion as the days passed. Then one day, I made a prayer over a blunt, and he flipped shit. Stormed off and we ain't fucked with each other sense.

[Skaland]

Atheists are awesome. Point blank

[lp040792]

Religion...

[XmurderXchaosX]

B/c if an atheist voices their opionion theyre shoving their belief down ur throught but if a christian does it their showin their faith. I can be a bigoted assfuck when it cones to religion but atleast i can admit it

I mean, he is kind of right. We are oppressed. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that all Christians are assholes and all atheists are awesome. I know they have some peaceful, respectful theists of all religions and they also have some pretty self-righteous, douche bag atheists. But, come on, you KNOW atheist do get WAY more shit than Christians do.

An atheist writes a book about the atrocities of religion and commonly advertising his book = Forceful, atheist douche, know-it-all, immoral moron.

TV Evangelist blasting gays and other 'sinners' saying how they will go to hell on his TV show that he makes millions off of=Oh, he's just expressing his beliefs. He's a good man.

That is the picture painted around here. Ag least that's how people look at it. And it pisses me off. The atheist may being condescending and look down on Christians for believing such outrageous shit but the TV Evangelist is spreading outward hate and discrimination.

[hovla]

Can you really blame us for being bitter about it? I live in the US which is like 80% Christian. Imagine living in a world were more than half of the people think you are a immoral and that something is wrong with you because you don't believe in the same outdated bigoted morals as they do. You have no idea how much shit I get when I don't even push my agnostic atheism on people. If I mention it people love to jump my shit. I'm not welcome in certain people's houses. My mom's side of the family disowned me. We are oppressed and we're angry about it. Or at least, some of us are.

Well im sorry you had experiences like that.But i can blame you for being bitter because you are doing the same thing to religious people. I have never ever seen someone behave toward atheist like that in RL but i have seen plenty atheist jumping on religious people like that. As an example i know this girl, as soon as there is something remotely connected to religion she will start her tirade how religious people are brainwashed stupid how god doesnt exist etc. Lot of atheists i know are like that. Now that might be because most of people i used to hang out with were part of metal and similar subcultures which are usually inclined toward atheism. On the other hand most religious dude i know who is thinking of becoming a priest never bashed anyone for not being religious.

I see we have polar opposite experiences with religious people and atheist people but i guess we can both agree that there are assholes in both worlds. yes?

But, come on, you KNOW atheist do get WAY more shit than Christians do.

I believe that really depends where you live. I have never see events like those you describe happen over here, someone spewing religious hatred on TV. Its quite opposite over here.

[Mr_Quick]

I mean, he is kind of right. We are oppressed. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that all Christians are assholes and all atheists are awesome. I know they have some peaceful, respectful theists of all religions and they also have some pretty self-righteous, douche bag atheists. But, come on, you KNOW atheist do get WAY more shit than Christians do.

An atheist writes a book about the atrocities of religion and commonly advertising his book = Forceful, atheist douche, know-it-all, immoral moron.

TV Evangelist blasting gays and other 'sinners' saying how they will go to hell on his TV show that he makes millions off of=Oh, he's just expressing his beliefs. He's a good man.

That is the picture painted around here. Ag least that's how people look at it. And it pisses me off. The atheist may being condescending and look down on Christians for believing such outrageous shit but the TV Evangelist is spreading outward hate and discrimination.

So if an atheist publicly insults and degrades Christians, they're just frustrated because some of them "believe such outrageous shit". And if a Christian publicly insults and degrades nonbelievers, they're just a douchebag who's intentionally promoting hate and discrimination. Is that about right?

As to the rest, the plural of anecdote is not data. The American South is one of the most religiously extreme places in the developed world, and the Christians who don't bash people aren't going to draw your attention as much as the ones who do. You might as well draw conclusions about people who've watched Star Trek by going to a Trekkie convention.

[le-franglais]

An atheist is not a better friend just for being an atheist.
A religious person is not a better friend just for being religious.

People should be judged not on the content of their religious ritual (if any) but on the content of their character.

[parrtyharrd]

So atheist are asshole? Wat about christians. My bestfriend is gay.ive known hi since were in diapers. Ive had to watch ppl call him names bully abuse him. He got beat shitless cause he gay nd its a "sin". He goes to catholic school nd the teachers hate him. His father has sprayed holy water on to rid him "of demons" a christian told him that they wat he goes through will be no worse than wat he will feel in hell. But atheist are the asshole?

A: please use correct grammar. People will read your post more fluidly.
B: I'm gay and i don't blame one group of people for being assholes to me. I know many atheist people who say that science discourages homosexuality. Atheists nor christians can be hated on for something that someone else does. I don't understand why you people insist on blaming something
An entire religion when it's one person being mean. My dad beat the shit out of me for being gay and he's supposedly christian. My pastor accepts me as i am and he's a christian. So a true christian that loves God wouldn't be horrible to people.

[Bobby-21]

An atheist is not a better friend just for being an atheist.
A religious person is not a better friend just for being religious.

People should be judged not on the content of their religious ritual (if any) but on the content of their character.

sorry to burst your bubble but your beliefs play a BIG contributing factor to a person's charater. So to say that people cannot be categorised by their beliefs doesnt make much sense.
Not saying that every religious person is that way but thats how they generally behave.
Not because my puppy plays with the neighbor's cat that dogs and cats are the peaceful cohabbitants for different species.
Some ppl need to look beyond the icing and cherries on the damn mud pie!!!

[Mr_Quick]

sorry to burst your bubble but your beliefs play a BIG contributing factor to a person's charater. So to say that people cannot be categorised by their beliefs doesnt make much sense.
Not saying that every religious person is that way but thats how they generally behave.
Not because my puppy plays with the neighbor's cat that dogs and cats are the peaceful cohabbitants for different species.
Some ppl need to look beyond the icing and cherries on the damn mud pie!!!

Just stop posting, you're an embarrassment to the nonreligious.

[NeverSayAnything]

Let him post all he wants. I'm not embarrassed by what he says because while I disagree and think he's not a great thinker, it's not up to me. It doesn't reflect my views. :p Just had to point out that your statement does the same grouping of non-religious that you've rightly been arguing against.

[Mr_Quick]

Let him post all he wants. I'm not embarrassed by what he says because while I disagree and think he's not a great thinker, it's not up to me. It doesn't reflect my views. :p Just had to point out that your statement does the same grouping of non-religious that you've rightly been arguing against.

'Twas certainly rude of me, and I'm sorry for being so condescending, but I don't see how it's prejudicial toward the nonreligious. The point isn't that all atheists/agnostics/etc. will feel embarrassment over such behavior, the point is that it reflects badly on the nonreligious and only contributes to the negative stereotypes about nonbelievers that he and others in this thread are rightly upset about. In short, it was an attack on an individual and their behavior rather than a group. No general claim about the nonreligious was made.

[NeverSayAnything]

Right on, that is precisely what I was going to point out. It doesn't reflect bad on the non-religious unless people look at him and think "well non-religious people must generally be this way" which is what you and I have both argued against throughout this thread. I've tried to give a different atheistic attitude here and if anyone, religious or not, chooses to ignore that, then it is their problem and not mine. Several people have said that there are people like that on both sides of the issue, so one of them coming on here and posting nonsense just exemplifies that, rather than nonbelievers in general.

[MyNameIsNotBrad]

God my nga

[Mr_Quick]

Right on, that is precisely what I was going to point out. It doesn't reflect bad on the non-religious unless people look at him and think "well non-religious people must generally be this way" which is what you and I have both argued against throughout this thread. I've tried to give a different atheistic attitude here and if anyone, religious or not, chooses to ignore that, then it is their problem and not mine. Several people have said that there are people like that on both sides of the issue, so one of them coming on here and posting nonsense just exemplifies that, rather than nonbelievers in general.

The counterpoint to this is that the more nonreligious people there are who act this way, the less effort it takes to rationalize such a generalization. Few people bat an eye at generalizations like "birds can fly" precisely because such generalizations are quite often correct. There are quite a number of birds out there that can't fly (e.g. ostriches, penguins, any bird with a broken wing), but the generalization still works often enough to be useful as a rule of thumb.

Now, one could argue that a randomly selected atheist isn't as likely to be bigoted against the religious as a randomly selected bird is to be capable of flight. True enough. However, the atheists a given Christian knowingly interacts with, and remembers interacting with, are not randomly selected. Since most atheists don't wear badges declaring their lack of belief, the people who get mentally slotted as "atheists" are the ones who make the extra effort to make their beliefs on the subject widely known, a sample group dominated by pushy, intolerant assholes. Also, humans tend to remember things that cause emotional reactions more vividly, and being called names by an asshole causes a much stronger emotional reaction (and thus burns the experience deeper into the person's memory) than seeing a flightless bird in National Geographic. This all inflates the influence of atheists who are loud and obnoxious in forming the public's view, so it doesn't take as many to support a negative generalization.

[NeverSayAnything]

Sure and the same goes for Christians. I think you pointed out to someone earlier here that they are more likely to remember the Christians who are dicks because the others don't make as much of an impression. Similarly when someone you agree with (which for me, I guess, means atheists), are assholes, it is natural to rationalize it or to try to justify it, and therefore they make less of an impression. It is something that if you know about you can be on the lookout for, but most people don't know about it and just go along with the natural thought process of "well maybe the Christian had it coming." Or in the Christian's case "well the guy was an atheistic asshole..." and thus we don't think of that person as being as much of an asshole, even if they might deserve it. Again, I think you already know all of this, so I'm just rambling, but perhaps other readers don't and it's not a waste.

[goldenboyz]

No. Christians do. Most of people in the world are now Christian. They're spiritual friends. They used beautiful music to brainwash or hypnotize kids. They used sexy girls or women to attract guys to join them. They used the strong words " Go to Hell " to scare insecure people who don't believe in God. Great success, indeed. I do like sexy Christian girls/women. The fire of lust guided my destiny.. hehehe...

[le-franglais]

sorry to burst your bubble but your beliefs play a BIG contributing factor to a person's charater. So to say that people cannot be categorised by their beliefs doesnt make much sense.

A person's character is defined by what kind of person they are. Are they resilient? Do they have a lot of patience? Character traits transcend belief systems.
If someone's a dickhead, he's going to be a dickhead no matter what he believes in.
If someone's going to have the character traits which make him more open to friendship, they won't likely be lessened or strengthened by a belief in God, or a lack of one.

"Not saying that every religious person is that way but that's how they generally behave"
is terrible. Stop tarring people and open your mind.

[Mr_Quick]

A person's character is defined by what kind of person they are. Are they resilient? Do they have a lot of patience? Character traits transcend belief systems.
If someone's a dickhead, he's going to be a dickhead no matter what he believes in.
If someone's going to have the character traits which make him more open to friendship, they won't likely be lessened or strengthened by a belief in God, or a lack of one.

"Not saying that every religious person is that way but that's how they generally behave"
is terrible. Stop tarring people and open your mind.

For the philosophically-minded, he's absolutely correct: virtue theory has been the moral philosophy most consistently supported by psychological findings. Deontology and utilitarianism do a better job of describing how we think people ought to make moral decisions than of how we actually make them in the overwhelming majority of cases.