American Muscle VS Ricers/Imports/Tuners

[Webatron]

Lets do this. Post which you prefer and why. Here's my statement:

I prefer American Muscle because parts are cheap, more reliable, and the cars are sturdier. American muscle generally has engines with higher displacement. Which we all know that there's no replacement for displacement - in the long run.

Warning: Don't post here if you are cartarded. And lets be mature about this, we all have our preferences. So lets not start a flame war.

[Mad_Michael]

I can't help but notice how you completely left out the European master race of cars...

[Webatron]

Theres no bigger rivalry the American Muscle and Import cars

[Camaro_91_00]

American Muscle.
I'm sick of seeing these ricer kids throw a fart can on their car and then think it's fast. (I give a LITTLE respect for the ones that ARE fast, and ARE built right, but most of them... aren't.)

[weasel497]

Import.
I hate the little civics with the trash can exhausts and stuff though.
But I prefer my little 4 banger to an american sled any day. With just a little 2.2 engine, i put down 225hp from the factory, can run the same 1/4 time as an 04 Mustang GT, and I don't have to shift at 5000 rpm, because the japs know how to make a head flow all the way to 9k.

[hovla]

Theres no bigger rivalry the American Muscle and Import cars

maybe in usa, i dont know anyone here that uses muscle cars for street racing.

[GSArora]

Well from what I've personally driven, I'd take the Camaro over the Bimmer anyday. Handling, acceleration, speed, were all so much better. It's all about the speed for me, and American Muscles got that down. Of course, if it was a competition between a porsche and a Camaro, thats a little different.

[berryfrezh]

American muscle. I don't even see this being debatable.

[Xxdavey707xx]

Imports/tuners is were it's at
I have 92 civic eg hatch with a jdm h23vtec and I'm pushin atleast 250hp with just some bolts on and taking v8s since my cars so light I weighed it In at 1900 pounds and your correct weasel I'm redling a 8'800 with my stock ecu
And if displacements what you crave the Lexus sc400s smash dohc v8's pushin 400 ponies stock

[bashcrash]

muscle cars had and have more charictor, i like the puddle jumpers for fuel eficency, but id rather own american muscle, the money for gas is worth every pennie

[benny_boy_18]

The Mustang is the best American sports coupe. GM and Chrysler are prehistoric. Personally, the Germans make the best sports cars. The Nissan Z is pretty cool though, but I'm not a fan of Hondas, they seem cheap to me. Toyota doesn't seem like a "sports car" to me... I think of the Toyota Hilux/Tacoma.

[jay941]

The Japanese are intuitive when it comes to manufacturing cars. American cars are a disappointment overall, the quality is not there. German cars are great to lease, but maintenance is ridiculous if you plan to have a long term relationship. British cars are great looking, but again dismal quality. Japanese cars are the best all around cars, and as far as I'm concerned the Nissan GTR is the optimal all around sports car.

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Well from what I've personally driven, I'd take the Camaro over the Bimmer anyday. Handling, acceleration, speed, were all so much better. It's all about the speed for me, and American Muscles got that down. Of course, if it was a competition between a porsche and a Camaro, thats a little different.

I own a WS6 Trans Am, driven the new Camaro, and I have driven varying models of BMWs. Germans are drivers and that is evidenced in how well they construct their cars. An E46 M3 is so balanced and blows away Camaros.

Oh and a new Porsche Cayenne Turbo blows away an Aston Martin DB9 as well as the Mustang GT, Camaro SS, and the precious Corvette. That's a midsize SUV mind you. Ridiculously fast.

[PebbleAndThePenguin]

As an owner of a 1964 impala I must say my car has a degree of permanence most cars made after 1965 dot have. By 1968 cars began to use a lot of plastic and as such their ability to survive the test of time began to wane. By the time Japanese cars/tuners came around they were almost entirely made of plastic. Yes some American cars like the Chevrolet caprice still had chrome bumpers (the ltd existed with chrome bumpers until 1991 the same year I was born) but most o their interior consisted of plastic. The funny thing is even though my impala is made of metal it still only weighs 3500. Pretty light for a full size with room for 6. With vast amounts of metal and chrome that car will outlive me and I can replace it's parts for pennies on the dollar.

[PebbleAndThePenguin]

The truth is a lot of japans "reliability exists Ailey because a relentless 80s campaign brainwashing us to believe there's a difference in their cars, as for European cars, they suffer from not only reliability problems but expensive parts, both penalize them compared to a simple cheap carburetor repair or tune up an ohv engine would need

[PebbleAndThePenguin]

I hate this iPhone keyboard, I believe my last two replies are readable though

[Mondal]

American Muscle!!!!!!!!!

[Camaro_91_00]

Import.
I hate the little civics with the trash can exhausts and stuff though.
But I prefer my little 4 banger to an american sled any day. With just a little 2.2 engine, i put down 225hp from the factory, can run the same 1/4 time as an 04 Mustang GT, and I don't have to shift at 5000 rpm, because the japs know how to make a head flow all the way to 9k.

^^ Maybe that's because the 04 mustang GT isn't shit, your 225 hp doesn't really stand a chance against the LS or SRT series motors..

[weasel497]

Of course it doesn't. But look at the facts. Most powerful 4 cylinder to be put in a production car. If the American cars were built like the Japanese, I would expect to see your Camaro with about 600hp naturally aspirated, and redline set somewhere around 8000rpm.. STOCK. But that's comparing apples to apples. The fact of the matter is, that MOST American cars just aren't engineered to the degree that the imports are. Sure the LS and LT motors are fast in a straight line, but how big is that motor? Too big for such little HP it puts out. And throw some curves in the way, and it's game over.

[OxyGenz]

Calling a civic a tuner is like calling a cavalier or an escort a muscle car..

when it comes to tuners, skylines, supras, RX-7's, 300ZX's, 3000GT's, silvias, NSX's, MR2's etc (see where im going with this?) these are japanese sports cars, not family sedans and econo cars.. these are what you compare US muscle cars to. I dont want to see people bringing up civics in this thread again, unless you put ricer in brackets beside it..

When it comes to the old saying "no replacement for displacement", thats not true, there is a replacement and its called a turbo, on the other hand,in the case of displacement + turbo, there is no replacement.

[OxyGenz]

have you even seen a Honda NSX? or a toyota supra or MR2? the NSX is definitly not cheap, and the supra and MR2 are definitly sports cars..