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u_n_a_m · 11-13-2009, 05:42 PM

Chris Bosh is part of the problem, dude plays no defense. He's as much of an intimidating defensive prescence for the Raptors as Matt Bonner is for the Spurs which isnt much. He's overrated, definitely not a franchise player...I wouldnt give him the max although Im sure some team will end up doing so.

Turning-Point · 11-13-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by u_n_a_m

Chris Bosh is part of the problem, dude plays no defense. He's as much of an intimidating defensive prescence for the Raptors as Matt Bonner is for the Spurs which isnt much. He's overrated, definitely not a franchise player...I wouldnt give him the max although Im sure some team will end up doing so.

He's definitely not a franchise player considering

1) He hasn't proven to be a clutch player at most end of the game situations
2) He's a decent leader, but not a great one.
3) Other than Dirk Nowitzki, he's probably the worst "franchise" type player at the power forward spot when it comes to defense.

Dirk is a much better leader and scorer than Bosh, as well as being more clutch. Chris Bosh will never be a great defender or rebounder, so he needs to improve at leadership and showing up in clutch situations.

u_n_a_m · 11-14-2009, 07:03 AM

Completely agree.

RodneyPesos · 11-14-2009, 06:48 PM

I totally disagree with what y'all said about Chris Bosh, and you compare him to Dirk. At least Bosh goes out there and plays with heart and leads in the clutch. Dirk is soft

kugler644 · 11-15-2009, 01:54 AM

Thunder beat the Spurs! Woo!!!!

u_n_a_m · 11-15-2009, 05:22 PM

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I totally disagree with what y'all said about Chris Bosh, and you compare him to Dirk. At least Bosh goes out there and plays with heart and leads in the clutch. Dirk is soft

Playing on one side of the ball and completely ignoring defense is not playing with heart. And what has Chris Bosh ever lead the Raptors to? Under .500 seasons were they barely make it to the playoffs and get bounced in the first round? What clutch plays does he have to his credit? I dont remember many if any at all. I agree that Dirk isnt the best leader or the toughest guy out there, which is why the Mavs have never and will never win a title with him as their franchise player...but he still has done more than Bosh. He led them to the Finals in 2006 and was pretty clutch in the Game 7 against the Spurs that year. He also played well in the Finals, Wade was just too good...has an MVP under his belt, etc.

Neither of them are franchise players though, because neither of them play defense. Theyre great scorers but thats it. I wouldnt give Bosh the max although Im sure some desperate team will end up doing so. Same with Amare. All these dudes can do is score but play no defense, thats what seperates someone like Duncan from these overrated fools that only worry about scoring.

Anakin_k · 11-15-2009, 05:36 PM

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I totally disagree with what y'all said about Chris Bosh, and you compare him to Dirk. At least Bosh goes out there and plays with heart and leads in the clutch. Dirk is soft

I'm from Toronto so I got love for Toronto all the way but Bosh is much less of a franchise player than Dirk. They both can't play defense first of all. But on the offensive end, Dirk is a lot more versatile than Chris Bosh. He can shoot from any spot on the court, he's improved his post up game. He's got a good fadeaway. And he is clutch. He makes the shot when his team needs him to.

As for being a leader, I agree with u_n_a_m that they are both not leaders nor franchise players. But at least Nowitzki got his team to the Finals and really could have won if Wade didn't get ultra-superstar treatment (Youtube the calls; ffs, he got more free throws in a game than the whole Mavs team).

Duncan, Garnett and guys like Shaq in his prime are better franchise leading players. They can certainly play on the offensive end but their defense is often the key to the whole team. They lead by example and they perform in the clutch.

As Gregg Popovich once said "Offense wins games, but defense wins championships." Speaking of which, he's got more than the whole Raptors and Mavs team combined.

moodyj015 · 11-15-2009, 07:18 PM

Thunder arent goin anywhere

kugler644 · 11-15-2009, 09:20 PM

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Thunder arent goin anywhere

Really? What leads you to assume that?

kugler644 · 11-15-2009, 10:50 PM

Fuck! I say that and then they go and drop one to the damn Clippers in Oklahoma City. But there is no denying that they have vastly improved.

Turning-Point · 11-15-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RodneyPesos

I totally disagree with what y'all said about Chris Bosh, and you compare him to Dirk. At least Bosh goes out there and plays with heart and leads in the clutch. Dirk is soft

Bosh plays with his heart, I'll give you that. I'm from Toronto too, and I watch the Raptors on the regular. He's failed more in clutch scoring situations more often than not. He's not the type to make a good defensive stand either. I will say he has improved a lot on rebounding, though I couldn't say I trust him 100% to get a rebound in a clutch situation. He's improved a lot though at getting to the basket. He's much more decisive and quick from the high post to drive to the basket. He doesn't settle for 18 footers all the time now.

Now, I would rather have Bosh only because he is younger and there is a chance he could improve. Dirk's best has already come and gone, though I would still say he is better than Bosh right now.

I would also argue that Dirk is a leader. From what I've seen, Dirk's teammates respect him and his abilities, and he does lead them in the clutch. The shortcoming is that his defense is worse than Bosh's.

I would argue that Dirk is a "franchise" player. You're always making the playoffs if Dirk is on your team surrounding by decent role players. The following are my list of Franchise players (as of right now).

James, Duncan, Wade, Anthony, Bryant, Howard, Nowitzki, Paul, Nash

Durant and Rose will probably get there soon, and Roy and D. Williams may make the leap. Bosh has a slim chance.

RodneyPesos · 11-16-2009, 02:50 PM

Brandon Jennings hit for 55 on Saturday, he's the Rookie Of The Year hands down.

I was telling any and everybody he was gonna be the player of his draft, but nobody else agreed with me. 10 teams passed on him and are gonna regret it