Originally Posted by nomenklatura

I am not seeing the stretch. If my argument is without basis then how would you go about arguing with a morality? You tell me. I understand your point, that in its very nature its not something to be argued with because its not based on logic, however, morals are based off of a simple scale that pretty much just begins with not harming the innocent who have done you no wrong. And thats just a simple point of moral reference from which all others are spawned.
Somewhere from which point you can say, but who does this harm, what problems does this cause.
What about hedonists? A hedonist isn't automatically someone who causes any pain to anyone, its just someone devoted to pursuits of pleasure, depends on your view of a hedonist.


How I view it is that when an institution other than society, WITHIN society as we know it, (because we cant be bigger than ourselves, so society is really just the ultimate beginning) supplies morals for others to follow, those aren't morals, they are rules, they are there for a reason, an ulterior motive.
This is why you're a fucking hypocrite, where did I say I own the definition of morals, I was expressing an opinion, but you would rather fall back on the same bullshit then offer another, you think I care what you think? Ill go into whatever the fuck I want to, grow up dude. You are the one shooting ME down, and you are the one telling me not to shoot ANYONE down. If I fucking disagree with something or someone and you want to baww and whine about your butthurt about it thats your fucking problem, I'm not doing anything you aren't doing.

I don't believe that peoples beliefs coincide with that of the church specifically as much as they are brainwashed by them. I have an issue with organized religion, I don't believe something such as premarital sex is an issue of true morality in the sense that you are defining morality. I don't believe it hurts anyone, and I don't BELIEVE it serves a purpose to put marriage before sex, not a helpful one anyways. Its considered a morality by those of the institution, and by those affected by it indirectly, but by your definition what is a moral? If you can't argue with them they aren't really anything, murdering an innocent person would be no more different than saying certain words certain people dislike.
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Well then the only reason you are persisting in this asinine argument is to be a troll, so I should probably just quit fuckin feeding you.

No, I don't think its a paradox, I knew you would. More like I didn't explain that point well enough if you still think its a paradox.
No, I just overestimated you.

The point is, if morality is simply something based on the heart then why wrap an institution about it?
No, why, if you can say why not then you wouldn't bitch when I say why, its the same fucking thing, because its fucking brainwashing. Not people forming individual opinions, they can believe whatever they fucking want but I can still believe its bullshit, if all you can do is sit there and swallow your own fucking stoner, everything is nothing talk when I use it against you then just shut the fuck up dude.


Its not illogical in such a complete sense that it gets a free pass to justify anything based on your own morality.
Ok then you are fine with a society that justifies anything for any reason. You are the one arguing morals are irrational and illogical and follow no guidelines, and can't be manipulated to, except for those you choose to defend as exceptions in your little world.

The church giving a list of rules is no different than one person justifying certain actions and not others and demanding everyone follow them. You cant have it both ways.
No, you really can't. Not without being a hypocrite.

I simply don't believe in the morality the church is supplying, they are just rules of another sub culture, and for the fair benefit of those who don't believe in them, they shouldn't be treated as though they are higher rules then those humanity devises to govern itself.
No, better idea, this is a forum, so even though you are sitting there spamming your ideas, while simultaneously telling me I'm hindering others and yet can't have any myself, how about you fuck off. Ill go into whatever I want, like I said. You don't want to listen? Good, don't wasn't talking to you to begin with.

It seems pointless to me, we as humanity have our moral system we generally agree on and try to follow, we cannot CREATE morals, neither can the church. We are beneath such a thing. We can only argue which morals we BELIEVE fit into our society, that we have created and can therefor make that argument. Saying we can't logically argue which morals or rules or ethics or whatever you want to call them, do and do not fit into that society because arguing such things is illogical, while true to some extent, gets us absolutely nowhere. And to be frank its no more an original thought than anything else, we might as well just make a topic called your morals vs my morals, and continuously reply with a giant chain quote going. "NO U, NO, NO U! NO U!"

Which is what we are doing anyways.

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Your didactic aside, you still cannot explain to me why it's not okay for Psychodrama and the others like her to feel as they do

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I never said its not ok for them to feel how they do, I expressed why I disagree with their feelings, you are the only one trying to actually say someone can't think or feel something here.

What fucking tangent, you are the one on a tangent here, you have kept your remarks at a few POINTLESS sentences and like it or not all this argument is now is no u back and forth, you're right you aren't talking about my morals, you are spewing some asinine fucking philosophy that is completely pointless to ANY discussion EVER. You think I give a rats ass about your morals? It could have been assumed at this point that I don't, so why mention it.

I'm seriously fucking bored with feeding you dude, you are one seriously fucking pathetic troll whatever convoluted "point" or pithy fucking remark you have left just message it to me, I am not going to keep bumping this shitty thread anymore by feeding you.

Originally Posted by MVInuyasha

I never said its not ok for them to feel how they do, I expressed why I disagree with their feelings, you are the only one trying to actually say someone can't think or feel something here.

Originally Posted by MVINuyasha

Half of your post makes me want to slap the shit out of you.

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You are retarded.

Originally Posted by MVInuyasha

You may be the one that ends up getting pregnant, but in the same sense that you might be bound by religion or morals or whatever stupid fucking excuse you dredge up to not solve your own messes, a guy might have similar reasons why they then have to help care for that child or pay for it, when its equal responsibility on both of your parts in the first place to use protection and just not be retarded.

Originally Posted by AmourousAndrea

There's many reasons not to do it. For one, I would not sleep with someone I'm not in a relationship with. I don't care if someone is hot or not. I just prefer not to have sex with random people so I can get STD's or pregnant. Hell to the no! ; /

Originally Posted by nomenklatura

That was the most convuluted bullshit I've ever read here, and I'm not even kidding. I spent like 2 years discussing shit in WA&P and Religion before I left this site, and I honestly have never encountered so much circumvention. I never even said half the shit you talked about.

You think I give a rats ass about your morals? It could have been assumed at this point that I don't, so why mention it.
My morals? I never even mentioned them. You've said that twice and I never mentioned them.

I have the same attitude toward the rest of your post.

Originally Posted by Psychodrama Oh WOW, I missed a lot, huh? I should search for my name more often. Oh? That makes it sound like you don't think it's okay for me to feel the way I do. I dunno, maybe I got the wrong interpretation?

Yeah, they would be equally at fault if they didn't use protection, but I was thinking about the mishaps that can occur when I wrote that. You know, like a condom slipping off.

Sounds like you've had bad experiences with girls if you can get so worked up over something like that. You know what? I feel for you. E-hug!

Originally Posted by MVInuyasha

You have no fucking clue what you mentioned, your entire argument served no purpose, I have the same attitude towards every other one of your goddamn posts.

Originally Posted by nomenklatura

Yes, this entirely ad hominem.

You consistently failed to offer any satisfactory counter-argument and instead brought up this big straw man of institutionalized morality.

If I said it, quote it. jackass.

Yeah. Arguing over things that are legitimately based upon opinion IS pointless. Very few things are completely matters of opinion. Ethics is one of them.

That was my thesis, which you managed to completely avoid.



BTW, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but you pretty much lashed out in the first posts leading me to think you aren't really "okay" with differences in opinion.

Originally Posted by Ragnarok05

Three reasons as to why anal sex is better.

1. Its tighter
2. Its warm
3. Its more degrading to women.