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Cassydiddles · 11-06-2009, 11:19 PM

One of my hardrives won't defragment. It starts to but then it says it cant complete the defragment and says something about not being able to defrag certain files. my computer isnt attached to the net so i cant download anything.

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...defragment.jpg

Report:
Volume Kiseki-Kokoro (C

Volume size = 9.55 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 6.80 GB
Free space = 2.75 GB
Percent free space = 28 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 25 %
File fragmentation = 47 %
Free space fragmentation = 4 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 33,210
Average file size = 406 KB
Total fragmented files = 187
Total excess fragments = 37,750
Average fragments per file = 2.13

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 360 MB
Total fragments = 15,666

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 4,061
Fragmented folders = 1
Excess folder fragments = 0

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 50 MB
MFT record count = 37,736
Percent MFT in use = 73 %
Total MFT fragments = 10

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Fragments File Size Files that cannot be defragmented
158 6 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Movie Maker\MEDIATAB0.DAT
147 10 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\WERcb66.dir00\firefox.exe.hdmp
174 11 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\Office XP Professional with FrontPage Setup(0001)_Task(0001).txt
168 12 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\ce0ny3y8.default\Cac he\_CACHE_003_
222 14 MB \WINDOWS\pchealth\helpctr\Database\HCdata.edb
195 15 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\132971.msp
246 16 MB \WINDOWS\system32\MRT.exe
198 17 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\WER5ff0.dir00\IEXPLORE.EXE.hdmp
159 18 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\5f345.msp
204 20 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\WER3996.dir00\msnmsgr.exe.hdmp
215 20 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{E2DA0C67-1009-4878-8186-D3FDF2CE88F5}\Microsoft\Outlook Express\Inbox.dbx
362 21 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\FromCamera1472-1-2008-6-22-4-3-38-68\100_1242.mov_46_2820
170 23 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{75630DA9-1380-43B3-A71E-289198695D3D}\RP441\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOF TWARE
194 23 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{75630DA9-1380-43B3-A71E-289198695D3D}\RP436\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOF TWARE
166 23 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{75630DA9-1380-43B3-A71E-289198695D3D}\RP442\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOF TWARE
205 23 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{75630DA9-1380-43B3-A71E-289198695D3D}\RP433\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOF TWARE
207 23 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{75630DA9-1380-43B3-A71E-289198695D3D}\RP434\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOF TWARE
222 23 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{75630DA9-1380-43B3-A71E-289198695D3D}\RP435\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOF TWARE
198 23 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{75630DA9-1380-43B3-A71E-289198695D3D}\RP437\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOF TWARE
213 23 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{75630DA9-1380-43B3-A71E-289198695D3D}\RP439\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOF TWARE
187 23 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{75630DA9-1380-43B3-A71E-289198695D3D}\RP440\snapshot\_REGISTRY_MACHINE_SOF TWARE
153 25 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\WER1659.dir00\start.exe.hdmp
157 29 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\FromCamera1456-1-2008-5-2-5-31-12-898\100_0854.mov_58_3540
580 36 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{75630DA9-1380-43B3-A71E-289198695D3D}\RP442\A0460544.msi
476 38 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\WERf8d7.dir00\msnmsgr.exe.hdmp
307 46 MB \System Volume Information\_restore{75630DA9-1380-43B3-A71E-289198695D3D}\RP442\A0460543.msi
355 222 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\FromCamera2448-1-2008-3-23-22-41-44-975\100_0237.mov_4_300
3,852 292 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\FromCamera640-1-2008-4-3-17-21-38-605\100_0596.mov_190_132992
2,806 394 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\FromCamera2448-1-2008-3-23-22-41-44-975\100_0238.mov_5_360
3,575 482 MB \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\FromCamera2328-1-2008-3-23-23-56-9-885\100_0238.mov_5_420

PathOfTheRighteousMan · 11-07-2009, 12:11 AM

Some files just cant be defragged by the software, they are system files. Its nothing to worry about.

Cassydiddles · 11-07-2009, 12:21 AM

This is. The defrag thing is mainly filled with red files (fragmented). The green ones (unmoveable) are the system ones.

Most the files are like this; mer24.tmp

lawl · 11-07-2009, 01:37 AM

is that 9.55gb c drive a partition or just a 12gb or so hard drive? if the latter i wouldnt worry too much. whilst that drive is horribly fragmented, defragmentation wouldnt offer much if any difference to the performance of such a small, old hard drive.

Cassydiddles · 11-07-2009, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawl

is that 9.55gb c drive a partition or just a 12gb or so hard drive? if the latter i wouldnt worry too much. whilst that drive is horribly fragmented, defragmentation wouldnt offer much if any difference to the performance of such a small, old hard drive.

it does usually. i would change it but windows is on it. i don't know who's stupid idea that was. but it used to run a lot quicker. what do you mean by "if the latter" though?

CavemanJames · 11-07-2009, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassydiddles

it does usually. i would change it but windows is on it. i don't know who's stupid idea that was. but it used to run a lot quicker. what do you mean by "if the latter" though?

He meant if it is a 12GB hard drive or something.

Have you tried clearing out your temp files and then running defragmentation?

Electronot · 11-07-2009, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PathOfTheRighteousMan

Some files just cant be defragged by the software, they are system files. Its nothing to worry about.

Not so. The swap file is about the only thing that normally can't be defragged.

You have a lot of crap in Temp folder. Delete it, and you'll get back a lot of space, and also be able to defrag more files. This problem is normally caused by a lack of space.

Most likely everything in \Documents and Settings\cristy s\Local Settings\Temp\ can be blown away.

Google for "ccleaner" if you want something to get rid of crap files for you.

Cassydiddles · 11-07-2009, 07:03 AM

so its ok to delete all the temp files?

Electronot · 11-07-2009, 07:11 AM

Generally speaking yes, unless it's something you're working on right at that moment, but then Windows usually won't let you delete it anyway.

Cassydiddles · 11-07-2009, 07:12 AM

i'll let you know if it works

kim_alberta · 11-07-2009, 01:08 PM

As always I am opening myself to personal attacks.

There is always a reason why a NTFS Windows Drive which is active can not be defragged, using the built in Defrag from Microsoft.

One of the many reasons could be active files, for example files which are deemed to be read by Anti-Virus Scanners.

My suggestions are as follows:

- disable Anti-Virus before defragging
- delete all tempory files, you might want to delete the temp directories and re-created them
- set your swap file to a fix size and to be deleted upon shutdown; This will cause the swap file to be recreated on every reboot, and might increase performance. If this does not resolve the defragging issue, than set the size to a smaller size, run defrag and then increase size after a defrag
- Run chkdsk /f (might require a reboot); This will ensure no issues with the file system

To answer a few questions pose as a result of the first post.

The Swap File can be defrag. It is always best to have the swap file recreated on reboot, for security and performance reasons. O'Reilly has a few good articles posted on this, some dating back many years.

Your Hard Drive is small, (maybe well used), but if you really want to increase preformance using WIndows (and NTFS), you can back up your data (move to another drive, system, etc) defrag, clean up temp files, change the settings of the swap file, defrag again and than move your data back. This is a pain, but should work for you.

Stay away from CCleaner, and other products of that sort. These programs can cause more issues for you than resolve. There is also a security risk in using them if you value your privacy. A better way, is to learn what CCleaner does, and perform those tasks manually.

Third party defragers (on line and off line) can be used, some like CCleaner could cause security issues for you, depending on how much you care about privacy and security.

If fragmention is a real concern for you, next time you re-install windows, change the cluster size to match the types of and size of the files. Changing the cluster size can increase performance or cause more issues if not done correctly.

Lots of good information can be found on line about NTFS and fragmention. File Systems is a really intresting topic, and I'm always amazed with different approaches taken when designing or implementing a file system.

Good luck and let us know the end result.

PathOfTheRighteousMan · 11-07-2009, 02:13 PM

Dont delete the temp files on your own, Download CCleaner, that deletes files that windows knows it can and it can clean out the shit on your pc.

CavemanJames · 11-07-2009, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kim_alberta

As always I am opening myself to personal attacks.

There is always a reason why a NTFS Windows Drive which is active can not be defragged, using the built in Defrag from Microsoft.

One of the many reasons could be active files, for example files which are deemed to be read by Anti-Virus Scanners.

My suggestions are as follows:

- disable Anti-Virus before defragging
- delete all tempory files, you might want to delete the temp directories and re-created them
- set your swap file to a fix size and to be deleted upon shutdown; This will cause the swap file to be recreated on every reboot, and might increase performance. If this does not resolve the defragging issue, than set the size to a smaller size, run defrag and then increase size after a defrag
- Run chkdsk /f (might require a reboot); This will ensure no issues with the file system

To answer a few questions pose as a result of the first post.

The Swap File can be defrag. It is always best to have the swap file recreated on reboot, for security and performance reasons. O'Reilly has a few good articles posted on this, some dating back many years.

Your Hard Drive is small, (maybe well used), but if you really want to increase preformance using WIndows (and NTFS), you can back up your data (move to another drive, system, etc) defrag, clean up temp files, change the settings of the swap file, defrag again and than move your data back. This is a pain, but should work for you.

Stay away from CCleaner, and other products of that sort. These programs can cause more issues for you than resolve. There is also a security risk in using them if you value your privacy. A better way, is to learn what CCleaner does, and perform those tasks manually.

Third party defragers (on line and off line) can be used, some like CCleaner could cause security issues for you, depending on how much you care about privacy and security.

If fragmention is a real concern for you, next time you re-install windows, change the cluster size to match the types of and size of the files. Changing the cluster size can increase performance or cause more issues if not done correctly.

Lots of good information can be found on line about NTFS and fragmention. File Systems is a really intresting topic, and I'm always amazed with different approaches taken when designing or implementing a file system.

Good luck and let us know the end result.

I fail to know the security risks of CCleaner. Care to explain?

The bolded bit concerns me. CCleaner was made to help maintain your computer. It does it all for you automatically. I'm not sure how computer literate the OP is, but if they aren't computer literate, it would confuse the shit out of them if they were to try and perform these tasks themselves.

You can't expect every computer user out there to understand the workings of Windows.

usrevenge · 11-07-2009, 07:12 PM

it could in theory mess with the windows registry wich is pretty much how windows knows where to look for certain files.

Cassydiddles · 11-07-2009, 08:01 PM

i don't have net on that computer. so i cant download. I also don't have virus scan. i deleted the temp files and it defragmented partially... it said it couldn't defragment everything. i viewed the report and it said there were no files that couldn't be defragmented.

kim_alberta · 11-07-2009, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CavemanJames

I fail to know the security risks of CCleaner. Care to explain?

The bolded bit concerns me. CCleaner was made to help maintain your computer. It does it all for you automatically. I'm not sure how computer literate the OP is, but if they aren't computer literate, it would confuse the shit out of them if they were to try and perform these tasks themselves.

You can't expect every computer user out there to understand the workings of Windows.

A lot if not most program written for Windows (OS X and others also) 'phones home'. A program does this for many reason these days, check for updates, check for valid licenses, uploads usage stats, and various other reasons.

Some these programs will upload file listings, registry settings, geograhic location, networking settings (including ISP information), installed software list, hardware details and can even upload certain files.

What the company or programers do with the information can be anything from market research, user tracking, and even data warehousing so it can be sold to a third party.

What small utilities like CCleaner does, most of it can be done manually.

A lot of these programs can cause more harm by taken up resources, or performing acts which can lead to unwanted changes.

There are known security issues with CCleaner, which I will let you research on your own, I doubt you would believe me. If you want to see some of these issues yourself, do a packet capture during the install, running and the uninstall. You might be surprise at what you are seeing.

If you do not uderstand what a program does, how do you know it is not doing somoething harmful?
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Electronot · 11-07-2009, 10:59 PM

I get no security issues with ccleaner from google, aside from a few false positives from antivirus programs in 2006. That was looking at the first 4 pages of hits.

I also ran ccleaner with and without automatic update checking. Wireshark shows absolutely nothing untoward happening. I'm using ccleaner V2.25.1025, which is the latest as of this date.

Care to elaborate what security risks you think are there? For sure, I can see someone messing up their system using the registry cleanup parts, but security? I don't see it.

Cassydiddles · 11-08-2009, 08:31 AM

i use xp btw

kim_alberta · 11-08-2009, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electronot

I get no security issues with ccleaner from google, aside from a few false positives from antivirus programs in 2006. That was looking at the first 4 pages of hits.

I also ran ccleaner with and without automatic update checking. Wireshark shows absolutely nothing untoward happening. I'm using ccleaner V2.25.1025, which is the latest as of this date.

Care to elaborate what security risks you think are there? For sure, I can see someone messing up their system using the registry cleanup parts, but security? I don't see it.

Ah, yes Google the friend of those who do not know what they are looking for.

PathOfTheRighteousMan · 11-08-2009, 11:33 AM

Just download the program on the pc you are using for TS, then get a usb stick and copy across. It works great.

Also, I use CCleaner on a daily basis. been using it for ages, it has done absolutely no harm to my pc. I choose what things I want to remove. I decompiled the program, nothing untoward about it. If you are going to trash talk software, do some research first.