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Beartree · 11-04-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Christian_Soldier

I am not arguing that its all rainbows and ponies so I have no idea why you continue asserting that - pregnancy is a very sensitive issue and anyone that assumes the process is all rainbows and ponies is sadly mistaken.
Negative emotions because many of them know that deep down they have prevented the opportunity of life from flourishing within them - deep down they know that it is technically a murder but not in any legal sense, more or less its an emotional, independent sense of guilt.

The bolded is speculation on your part, but let's assume it's true.. so what?

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As for the issues of parental consent - I have to disagree with you...

Parents have sole responsibility over their children as their first teachers but also as their care givers and providers. To keep something as important as an abortion away from the parents is both immoral and unethical and the state has no business in tampering with the role of our parents and their obligations to the children.

Abortion is an extremely PERSONAL choice. No parent has the right to force their child to go through 9 months of discomfort and an excruciating labour if they do not want to. That is the ONLY thing that lack of parental consent stops.

The child not needing parental consent doesn't mean she can't still go to her parents for support if she feels they will give it to her. It does not mean that she child cannot include her parents in the process if she wants to. The only thing parental consent would do is allow parents to force their children to deliver babies, which is completely and utterly wrong.

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I don't want all women to go through pregnancies - What I want is women to know that they don't have to go through the experience alone, I want them to have all the right and relevant information beforehand prior to making a choice and I want them to know the consequences of sex and how contraception isn't 100percent reliable.
No woman should have to go through an abortion alone or with misinterpreted information and resources.

That's all well and good, but you are not achieving your goal by saying "ABORTIONS R WRONGG!111".

To achieve your goal, what you must do is emphasise the importance of contraception, emphasise the importance of community support for women who do want abortions, and emphasise the importance of educating women about these matters.

Being some kind of fanatical pro-lifer is stupid, and ineffective. There are better ways to reduce the number of abortions, if that is your goal, seeing as pretty much everyone agrees that everyone should be educated about contraception.

Christian_Soldier · 11-04-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Beartree

The bolded is speculation on your part, but let's assume it's true.. so what?

Abortion is an extremely PERSONAL choice. No parent has the right to force their child to go through 9 months of discomfort and an excruciating labour if they do not want to. That is the ONLY thing that lack of parental consent stops.

The child not needing parental consent doesn't mean she can't still go to her parents for support if she feels they will give it to her. It does not mean that she child cannot include her parents in the process if she wants to. The only thing parental consent would do is allow parents to force their children to deliver babies, which is completely and utterly wrong.

That's all well and good, but you are not achieving your goal by saying "ABORTIONS R WRONGG!111".

To achieve your goal, what you must do is emphasise the importance of contraception, emphasise the importance of community support for women who do want abortions, and emphasise the importance of educating women about these matters.

Being some kind of fanatical pro-lifer is stupid, and ineffective. There are better ways to reduce the number of abortions, if that is your goal, seeing as pretty much everyone agrees that everyone should be educated about contraception.

You're right in saying that I don't have to be Pro-Life to support what I support but quite frankly I disagree with what the Pro-Choice campaign endorses...
I went to one of their meetings here in Yorkshire and they were all fully supportive of abortions and even wanted the government to make it more widely accessible and available - based on my own ethical perception as well as my religious background I really didn't feel comfortable being a Pro-Choice supporter and so I decided to remain on the fence but I am better aligned to the principles and ideas of the Pro-Life campaign even though I don't support either.

XXXinvisibleXXX · 11-05-2009, 12:33 AM

I think abortion shouldnt be around.

AgentAsshat · 11-05-2009, 02:19 AM

Ban everything.

Beartree · 11-06-2009, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Christian_Soldier

You're right in saying that I don't have to be Pro-Life to support what I support but quite frankly I disagree with what the Pro-Choice campaign endorses...
I went to one of their meetings here in Yorkshire and they were all fully supportive of abortions and even wanted the government to make it more widely accessible and available - based on my own ethical perception as well as my religious background I really didn't feel comfortable being a Pro-Choice supporter and so I decided to remain on the fence but I am better aligned to the principles and ideas of the Pro-Life campaign even though I don't support either.

I'll respond to the bolded;

You claim not to want abortion to be illegalised.. and yet you have a problem with it being widely accessible to the women who need it? Those two are pretty much along the same lines, so make up your mind regarding your position on this.

Sick_Inside · 11-07-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by XXXinvisibleXXX

I think abortion shouldnt be around.

WHat is up with the heart?

RADIKAL · 11-07-2009, 07:20 PM

Having seen some young parents in the UK, I would say, kill the baby before it's been born. (and btw could be useful to kill the parents: worthless pieces of shit, who defile the society)

Sick_Inside · 11-10-2009, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RADIKAL

Having seen some young parents in the UK, I would say, kill the baby before it's been born. (and btw could be useful to kill the parents: worthless pieces of shit, who defile the society)

I like where you're going with this.

Christian_Soldier · 11-10-2009, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Beartree

I'll respond to the bolded;

You claim not to want abortion to be illegalised.. and yet you have a problem with it being widely accessible to the women who need it? Those two are pretty much along the same lines, so make up your mind regarding your position on this.

I am perfectly fine being neutral on the matter - do you have a problem with that?

I have argued all along that I support Abortion in its strictest sense, this wouldn't include the complete bastardization (I love this word) of accessibility surrounding abortions on demand and in doing so we are more or less encouraging society to overthrow the importance of protection and sexual decision making.
I don't think I can make it any more simplistic so if you don't understand my current position on the matter perhaps we should leave it?

I love how you assume that every social issue on the spectrum is as black & white as our mental pupils seem to firstly indicate.
First impressions are misleading...

Beartree · 11-10-2009, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Christian_Soldier

I am perfectly fine being neutral on the matter - do you have a problem with that?

I have argued all along that I support Abortion in its strictest sense, this wouldn't include the complete bastardization (I love this word) of accessibility surrounding abortions on demand and in doing so we are more or less encouraging society to overthrow the importance of protection and sexual decision making.
I don't think I can make it any more simplistic so if you don't understand my current position on the matter perhaps we should leave it?

By making abortions more accessible, we are making it easier for women to get abortions when they need it.

Abortions will not replace condoms or the pill or the shot as a favourite method of contraception simply because it's much more of a hassle than any of the above.

Christian_Soldier · 11-10-2009, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Beartree

By making abortions more accessible, we are making it easier for women to get abortions when they need it.

Abortions will not replace condoms or the pill or the shot as a favourite method of contraception simply because it's much more of a hassle than any of the above.

But whats wrong with the current process?

Surely all Western women are well aware of where to go and who to see when making an appointment for termination...
By making the process even more accessible than it already is - we open up a can of universal understanding that the easier it is to access a service; the more acceptable it is by society.

Is the type of message we are willing to convey?

It's a bit like contraception - before it was openly practiced and known of women were facing an entire spectrum of issues i.e. solo pregnancies, self-inflicted terminations, suicide, mental depression, etc but the more accessible contraception became the more such issues evaporated.

Beartree · 11-10-2009, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Christian_Soldier

But whats wrong with the current process?

Surely all Western women are well aware of where to go and who to see when making an appointment for termination...
By making the process even more accessible than it already is - we open up a can of universal understanding that the easier it is to access a service; the more acceptable it is by society.

Obviously there is SOMETHING wrong with the current process, seeing as pro-choice groups feel the need for more accessible abortions.

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Is the type of message we are willing to convey?

I don't see why not.

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It's a bit like contraception - before it was openly practiced and known of women were facing an entire spectrum of issues i.e. solo pregnancies, self-inflicted terminations, suicide, mental depression, etc but the more accessible contraception became the more such issues evaporated.

... So, you're saying that the less accessible abortions are, the more problems women will have, and this is somehow a good thing?

ShawnxEdge · 11-10-2009, 04:06 AM

honestly, i feel that it is a person's choice to get or not to get an abortion. you cant tell somebody what to do with their own life. i hate abortion protesters, honestly they make me sick. DONT LIKE IT? DONT GET ONE!!! EASY AS THAT.

Christian_Soldier · 11-10-2009, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Beartree

Obviously there is SOMETHING wrong with the current process, seeing as pro-choice groups feel the need for more accessible abortions.

I don't see why not.

... So, you're saying that the less accessible abortions are, the more problems women will have, and this is somehow a good thing?

Seriously, we clearly aren't getting anywhere with this and we disagree so much with each other that it just isn't worth purcuing.
We agree to disagree and move on...

Christian_Soldier · 11-10-2009, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ShawnxEdge

honestly, i feel that it is a person's choice to get or not to get an abortion. you cant tell somebody what to do with their own life. i hate abortion protesters, honestly they make me sick. DONT LIKE IT? DONT GET ONE!!! EASY AS THAT.

It's not as easy as that - we didn't like under age and unwanted pregnancies so we invented contraception and made it universally accessible.
In using your same argument we could argue that you're also against society's intervention by providing subsidized contraception and sex education in schools...

Criminals make choices about their own lives too, do you advocate that we should leave them be and abolish the justice system?

Should the public hospitals refuse assistance for those ready for pregnancy out of wedlock?

Where do we draw the line?

Nikias · 11-10-2009, 02:13 PM

You can't argue that someone is against something if they're not against it, unless it must logically follow from what they believe, and it doesn't in this case. (I know you're not really good at this whole logic thing but give it a try)

Wanksta541 · 11-12-2009, 12:10 AM

Im 100% for it.

ShawnxEdge · 11-12-2009, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Christian_Soldier

It's not as easy as that - we didn't like under age and unwanted pregnancies so we invented contraception and made it universally accessible.
In using your same argument we could argue that you're also against society's intervention by providing subsidized contraception and sex education in schools...

Criminals make choices about their own lives too, do you advocate that we should leave them be and abolish the justice system?

Should the public hospitals refuse assistance for those ready for pregnancy out of wedlock?

Where do we draw the line?

honestly i believe that condoms and other forms of contraception are the only to go, in my opinion, but that doesnt mean that everybody is going to use them. this being said, of course there are going to be accidents, there always will be. we need to understand that people have the choice to make their own decisions and who are we to say that they cant do what they want? and with the whole "justice system" flare, honestly there are things that people could find wrong with it, like everything else in the world. nothing is perfect, there is no paradise society where nothing goes wrong, everybody has the right to make choices about their own body, and that is something NOBODY should try to take away. i know that if i got a girl pregnant by accident i would want her to abort it if we were unable to care for it. i mean honestly, why bring a life into the world when it wont be able to be taken care of? thats more horrible then aborting it. and even with abortion there is the option of stem cells which could help against many illnesses. but whatever, thats just my opinion, people have theirs and i respect that because everybody is entitled to their own.

jaguarrz · 11-12-2009, 09:42 AM

I'm 100% against abortion.

It's just part of the large scheme by the Liberals to do a complete take over. The same way gay pride parades is to demonstrate the Liberal ability to not work.

We should send abortionists to places where it's socially acceptable, like red China.

Nikias · 11-12-2009, 12:31 PM

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I'm 100% against abortion.

It's just part of the large scheme by the Liberals to do a complete take over. The same way gay pride parades is to demonstrate the Liberal ability to not work.

We should send abortionists to places where it's socially acceptable, like red China.

I can't tell if you're a troll or you're really that much of a fucking moron.