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Old 11-03-2009, 04:02 PM   #21
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A baby then, after being born, and before you make the same response again, re,e,ber that it's considered a fetus right up until them moment it crosses the birth canal. Where do you draw the line then?

And agian, I usually support stem cell research for saving lives, but putting aborted stemcells into beauty products is to far.
Obviously you're morally against it which I understand. But why exactly?

The reason why I don't have a problem with it is because no matter how old the fetus is it's dead already.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:05 PM   #22
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So if after you died I were to take you apart cell by cell and use you in beauty froducts, you'd be okay with that?
Sure. Why do I care? I'm dead.
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Fetus =/= fully developed human being that is conscious about it's own existence.
Toddler =/= fully developed human being that is conscious about it's own existence
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:10 PM   #24
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Toddler =/= fully developed human being that is conscious about it's own existence
I don't believe anyone in their right mind would oppose using live toddlers in makeup, Frank.

...What's your point?
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:11 PM   #25
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I don't believe anyone in their right mind would oppose using live toddlers in makeup, Frank.

...What's your point?
Beat me to it.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:14 PM   #26
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I don't believe anyone in their right mind would oppose using live toddlers in makeup, Frank.
I agree with this.

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...What's your point?
My point is that his way of putting the fetus existence as "not a fully developed" human being that had not achieved self-awareness could be applied to a great deal of the population and is thus a shitty definition for the type of point he was attempting to make.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:19 PM   #27
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Toddler =/= fully developed human being that is conscious about it's own existence
Agreed, and I'm not the only one on the thread anymore.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:20 PM   #28
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Foetus' consist most of stem cells, new-born babies and toddlers much less, hence why we use the foetus for things like beauty products and surgery for stuff...
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Foetus' consist most of stem cells, new-born babies and toddlers much less, hence why we use the foetus for things like beauty products and surgery for stuff...
I'm not arguing that a fetus = a toddler in the real world. I'm simply mocking his definition for claiming why it is ok to use a fetus in such instances.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:23 PM   #30
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I think we all knew what he meant. Let's not get dramatic.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:24 PM   #31
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I'm not arguing that a fetus = a toddler in the real world. I'm simply mocking his definition for claiming why it is ok to use a fetus in such instances.
I'm just pointing out my disappointment that small children that have been born cannot be used in cosmetic products
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My point is that his way of putting the fetus existence as "not a fully developed" human being that had not achieved self-awareness could be applied to a great deal of the population and is thus a shitty definition for the type of point he was attempting to make.
It was sarcasm. It was pretty clear what you meant.
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I would like to order some fetus facial cream....

boy that sounds so terrible in SO many ways. D:
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I think we all knew what he meant. Let's not get dramatic.
Whose getting dramatic? I'm being mocking.

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I'm just pointing out my disappointment that small children that have been born cannot be used in cosmetic products
And impose upon my home cooked recipes? Don't you dare!

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It was sarcasm. It was pretty clear what you meant.
Nice cover up.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:42 PM   #35
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And impose upon my home cooked recipes? Don't you dare!
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If you don't like it, then move to Russia, commie

pfft, the nerve standing in the way of corporate greed.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:43 PM   #36
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Nice cover up.
No cover up. Toddlers are obviously not fully developed, and that specification lead to a logical fallacy.

When I said "...What's your point", I thought I was clearly emphasizing my approval of the murdering of toddlers for my Maybelline foundation.
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Old 11-03-2009, 05:02 PM   #37
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So if after you died I were to take you apart cell by cell and use you in beauty froducts, you'd be okay with that?
...your question is if someone would be ok with having something done to their body, AFTER their dead. A dead person is incapable of caring what you do with their body. Besides, if anything I'd rather have something useful done with my body then just have it buried in a box to rot. If I'm done eating a steak and you wanna chop up what's left and feed it to your dog why do I give a shit? It's not a waste, I was just gonna throw it out anyway.
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Nice cover up.
Your point was clear.
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...your question is if someone would be ok with having something done to their body, AFTER their dead. A dead person is incapable of caring what you do with their body. Besides, if anything I'd rather have something useful done with my body then just have it buried in a box to rot. If I'm done eating a steak and you wanna chop up what's left and feed it to your dog why do I give a shit? It's not a waste, I was just gonna throw it out anyway.
Let's not get in to animal treatment in the meat industry here, I could go on for a year about the horrors of the meat and poultry industries in this country, and that's without getting help from my vegetarian friends!(fyi, I myself am not a vegetarian)
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Old 11-03-2009, 05:18 PM   #40
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They use the unwanted (waste) parts of animals now and reuse it. (Obviously it is clean and wasn't pulled out of a dumpster). Apparently it's to allow poor people who can't afford to eat meat to eat..meatish products.

You can basically get a Chicken Kiev now at a competative price. Only 40% chicken. :]

My point here was that taking waste products and using them for development is a good thing. We waste too much as it is.

And like Vodka has said. Companies use animal products; such as shark, in their make up. I am pretty sure however the Shark wasn't found dead and being used as a waste product. With all these aborted fetuses etc we can reduce the amount of animal killing and recyle what we already have instead of throwing it away.

I mean fetuses aren't buried usually. They're thrown in the bin with all the other waste body parts.
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