It's exquisite. Why isn't there more of it around?

Are you sick?

It feels gross off an animal IMO

it's just another fabric...kind of expensive though.

i don't really see why people have such a problem with it. it's not like people go around protesting use of leather...i don't see a difference between making a jacket out of rabbit or cow.

*shrugs* personaly, i think it's pretty damn hypocritical for these teens, who think they are so pro animal rights, to complain about how fur is cruel and horrible while they are wearing cows on their feet!

it's just another fabric...kind of expensive though.

i don't really see why people have such a problem with it. it's not like people go around protesting use of leather...i don't see a difference between making a jacket out of rabbit or cow.

*shrugs* personaly, i think it's pretty damn hypocritical for these teens, who think they are so pro animal rights, to complain about how fur is cruel and horrible while they are wearing cows on their feet!

People DO go around protesting use of leather.

Also, fur is strictly vanity. Strictly. It has NO use other than that, or maybe status. Which is idiotic.

I don't actually wear leather, but seeing as pretty much every shoe nowadays is made of leather and there is hardly an option, I don't fault people for wearing it, even if I think they shouldn't.

^fur isn't strictly vanity, it's a fabric that clothing is made out of. that clothing has a purpose...keeping people warm. sure, some value of social statis is put on it, but that is true of all fabrics.

and i have never seen anyone protesting a clothing line incorporating leather, whereas i see people protesting lines of clothing incorporating fur all of the time. perhaps i was hasty to say that no one does, but it is certainly in less frequency that leather is protested, and is much less publicised.

and if you'll notice. i said it is hypocritical for those who wear leather to complain about fur...since you don't wear leather, you shouldn't have taken offence to that.

and fyi, there are plenty of shoes that don't use leather. many styles of airwalk and converse have no leather in them, and faux leather shoes are pretty popular in the more dressy high heal style.

I wasn't taking offence to it, I was simply illustrating that it's NOT in fact, hypocritical, should someone abhor the use of leather but still wear it, as every school I've ever been to has specified "LEATHER shoes" for their uniform.

Edit: OF COURSE it is strictly vanity in this day and age. If we were cavemen and had no other choice but to wear the hide of animals for protection from the elements, then okay. But this is just needless cruelty for vanity.

^things must be different where you are. here we can pretty much wear any time of shoes we want.

and i wasn't just talking about new zealand teens, of course it's a different situation if they have to wear the shoes. but i see plenty of stupid little kids over here in the states talking about how horrible fur is, yet they are willingly and happily wearing leather shoes.

the term vanity is reletive...i fail to see how something can be strictly for vanity if it surves any other purpose but decoration. if fur were being used for jewelry i could see your point. but clothing definitly has a purpose nomatter what it's made out of.

cruelty is pretty reletive too. we do plenty of things in our lives that cause "cruelty" to animals. it is impossible to avoid.

^things must be different where you are. here we can pretty much wear any time of shoes we want.

and i wasn't just talking about new zealand teens, of course it's a different situation if they have to wear the shoes. but i see plenty of stupid little kids over here in the states talking about how horrible fur is, yet they are willingly and happily wearing leather shoes.

the term vanity is reletive...i fail to see how something can be strictly for vanity if it surves any other purpose but decoration. if fur were being used for jewelry i could see your point. but clothing definitly has a purpose nomatter what it's made out of.

cruelty is pretty reletive too. we do plenty of things in our lives that cause "cruelty" to animals. it is impossible to avoid.

**Australian teens. My location lies and won't stop.

Anyway, people who do that are hypocritical, yes.

There are ANY number of materials, other than the ones that are stripped off of living creatures. There are MUCH cheaper ones as well.

So.. to use something that's come off a living creature (unnecessarily, since there are alternative), AND pay so much money for it.. yeah, that's vanity. Just like buying expensive heels.. they do provide coverage for your feet, but they are basically for vanity. Coloured lip gloss/lipstick.. keeps your lips moisturised but is, ultimately, for vanity as well.

Likewise, you cannot possibly think the primary purpose of fur is protection from the elements.

We do do lots of things that cause cruelty to animals, some (very few) of which are unavoidable. This isn't one of them. This is VERY avoidable. In fact, it's in everyone's best interests TO avoid it.

eh, you have your opinion and i have mine...perhaps we should leave it at that.

i very much doubt either of us is going to be able to change the other's opinion nomatter how strongy we feel about them.

We kill cows anyway for food. The same is not true of mink, rabbits, or whatever the hell else they skin to make clothes for rich, tasteless women.

We kill cows anyway for food. The same is not true of mink, rabbits, or whatever the hell else they skin to make clothes for rich, tasteless women.

have you ever tasted rabbit meat? oh man that feels good :) cooked on camp fire mmmm

I really like fur, personally. I'll go ahead and say that the ethics of the fur industry really don't bother me. I'd rather focus on human rights instead of animal rights. :shrug:

Don't fucking wear it anyways. I am a PETA member and I hate that shit. You wonder why fur isn't around anymore? It's bc all the PETA petition signers. Which one of them was me. The people that wear fur are pathetic humans. How would you like it if someone came upto you, bashed your brains in and then skinned you?

Leaving the whole animal thing alone

Fur takes quite alot of looking after, is hard to clean, is stupidly expensive, attracts oil and grease like a magnet, you can't get it wet, and often smellsreally really wierd.

Although most faux fur is shit, if you spend a bit more money, you can get amazing stuff that is alot more durable

Furs are gorgeous, I think they're so chic.


And, I agree with nascar babe on the leather thing, I find it kind of funny how many people wear leather and still bitch about furs. It's not even just shoes. It's handbags, coats, furniture, luggage, car seats. The list goes on.

Don't fucking wear it anyways. I am a PETA member and I hate that shit. You wonder why fur isn't around anymore? It's bc all the PETA petition signers. Which one of them was me. The people that wear fur are pathetic humans. How would you like it if someone came upto you, bashed your brains in and then skinned you?
Holy shit do I hate PETA so fucking much. They're such hypocritical bastards, it's not even funny. If you stand up for animal rights, great for you, but maybe you should do a bit of research before your dumbass decides to stick up for the lovely animal killers that go by PETA.

I dont wear leather anything, so I can bitch ^^

I'm vegetarian, but I seem to be one of the few that think people can have their own opinions
Though I do think most of the mink should be killed

I am a PETA member

i stoped reading after that. how fuking stupid you have to be to join PETA?

^things must be different where you are. here we can pretty much wear any time of shoes we want.

and i wasn't just talking about new zealand teens, of course it's a different situation if they have to wear the shoes. but i see plenty of stupid little kids over here in the states talking about how horrible fur is, yet they are willingly and happily wearing leather shoes.

the term vanity is reletive...i fail to see how something can be strictly for vanity if it surves any other purpose but decoration. if fur were being used for jewelry i could see your point. but clothing definitly has a purpose nomatter what it's made out of.

cruelty is pretty reletive too. we do plenty of things in our lives that cause "cruelty" to animals. it is impossible to avoid.


Ok, I live in Finland and we don't even need fur for any purpose. It's only for vanity, even here where it is FREEZING.
It doesn't matter where you are from (unless you are an Eskimo or a Mongolian) it is going to be for the purpose of vanity.
And leather is protested. I don't agree with the use of leather. What do you need it for, really?
Cruelty to animals is in no way impossible to avoid. You should use the term "we" wisely. Not everyone is included in that.

^cruelty to animals is impossible to avoid...for everything we do, there is a negative impact to the animal community.

No, it's really not. It is impossible to avoid in this day and age in a city environment...BUT

If you don't drive a car.
If you live in an environmentally friendly house.
If you don't eat or use animals products.
If you don't keep animals as pets or use them in any way.
If you live a simple life.

Then how do you have a negative effect on them?
Just by coexisting?
I don't think so.
BTW, I know MORE than one person who lives that way.

And besides, cruelty to animals can be defined in different ways by different people.
What one person thinks is cruel may not be cruel to another person.
I don't think killing animals for food is cruel. However, I do think that if you do senseless, mass killings it is. The mode of death is also what makes something cruel or not cruel to me.

Everyone has a different view.

those things hurt animals too.

by not driving cars people push the demand for gas down, it gets cheaper so those who do drive just buy more of it.

"environmentaly friendly" is a reletive term. i challenge you to find a house thats existance has never hurt animals. just it being built destroyed habitat that animals once lived in.

by not eating or using animal products you are decreasing the profit of that industry and the first thing those producers do is drive down their cost of production...like feeding the animals cheaper food and housing them in less pleasent conditions. plus the vegatarian diet isn't completely innocent...clearing of farmland destroys natural habitat that animals once lived in. also, you don't think that animals are killed in cultivation of the vegatarian products? with all of the industrial machines, little bunny rabbits don't stand a chance.

how is keeping an animal as a pet cruel anyway? if you care for it properly, you give it affection, food, and saftey. do you think the animal would fare so well if it were farrel?

and that was exactly my point. cruelty is reletive. you can't very well say that one animal death is worse than another, it's still a life...and as a dominent species, it is inevitable that we are going to negativly effect other species. that's just the way it is.

on a personal note...i don't actually personally condone the use of fur. i just like to play devil's advocate because most people who say that stuff like meat and fur is cruel, don't look at all of the other things in their lives that bring suffering on animals as wrong...it just seems ironic to me.

I just don't understand the pet thing. How is that cruel in any way?

We've had working dogs. And dogs that are just allowed to do pretty much whatever they please. They seem perfectly happy, they could have wandered off whenever they wanted. I used to have chickens, and I don't see how that was cruel either. They had 3 acres to roam around, yet always hung around in the yard. And we didn't eat them...

Furs are gorgeous, I think they're so chic.


And, I agree with nascar babe on the leather thing, I find it kind of funny how many people wear leather and still bitch about furs. It's not even just shoes. It's handbags, coats, furniture, luggage, car seats. The list goes on.

Again, cows are killed anyway for food, which is not generally true of animals killed for fur.

I love animals and I love fur. I like petting my fur bags and coats pretending that the animal is still alive and is my pet. Oh, so very soft....

i stoped reading after that. how fuking stupid you have to be to join PETA?


I'm not fucking stupid you asshole. I joined it because I'm an animal rights activist. I do agree they blow shit out of proportion, but I joined them anyways. It's my fucking life anyways.

How could anyone say they are hypocrites? Why don't you guys look up what these factories and shit who slaughter these animals. That big ass beef recall and all that. Then you are going to eat it and wear it. We aren't fucking Native Americans who have to kill shit to survive. The meat we have today were abused animals, and most are fed with steroids in their' food. That's why they are fat. These farm animals don't just get fat by eating wheat, grass, and dried up corn. So now who's the stupid one?

those things hurt animals too.

by not driving cars people push the demand for gas down, it gets cheaper so those who do drive just buy more of it.

"environmentaly friendly" is a reletive term. i challenge you to find a house thats existance has never hurt animals. just it being built destroyed habitat that animals once lived in.

by not eating or using animal products you are decreasing the profit of that industry and the first thing those producers do is drive down their cost of production...like feeding the animals cheaper food and housing them in less pleasent conditions. plus the vegatarian diet isn't completely innocent...clearing of farmland destroys natural habitat that animals once lived in. also, you don't think that animals are killed in cultivation of the vegatarian products? with all of the industrial machines, little bunny rabbits don't stand a chance.

how is keeping an animal as a pet cruel anyway? if you care for it properly, you give it affection, food, and saftey. do you think the animal would fare so well if it were farrel?

and that was exactly my point. cruelty is reletive. you can't very well say that one animal death is worse than another, it's still a life...and as a dominent species, it is inevitable that we are going to negativly effect other species. that's just the way it is.

on a personal note...i don't actually personally condone the use of fur. i just like to play devil's advocate because most people who say that stuff like meat and fur is cruel, don't look at all of the other things in their lives that bring suffering on animals as wrong...it just seems ironic to me.

You can grow vegetables. You can't bring an animal back if they are extinct.

I don't think it is cruel to own a pet either . I have lots of pets, but we take care of them. They always seem happy.

I'm not fucking stupid you asshole. I joined it because I'm an animal rights activist. I do agree they blow shit out of proportion, but I joined them anyways. It's my fucking life anyways.

How could anyone say they are hypocrites? Why don't you guys look up what these factories and shit who slaughter these animals. That big ass beef recall and all that. Then you are going to eat it and wear it. We aren't fucking Native Americans who have to kill shit to survive. The meat we have today were abused animals, and most are fed with steroids in their' food. That's why they are fat. These farm animals don't just get fat by eating wheat, grass, and dried up corn. So now who's the stupid one?

PETA kills almost all of the animals that they take in. Why don't you look up what PETA does before you get all bitchy.

I eat animals and support minimal testing on them, but wearing animals is just unnecessary. And unnecessary cruelty isn't cool.

Again, cows are killed anyway for food, which is not generally true of animals killed for fur.

rabbits are eaten. *shrugs*

... So is alligator. :shrug: Which, isn't a fur, but it's still worn.

ahaha. way to be an instigator.

You can grow vegetables. You can't bring an animal back if they are extinct.

I don't think it is cruel to own a pet either . I have lots of pets, but we take care of them. They always seem happy.

wtf? what the hell are you on about?

my post didn't say anything about what we're doing to hurt plants...you're a little wierd.

as for the not being able to bring back extinct animals...anti fur protesters aren't really concerning themselves with preservation of any species, they're worried about "cruelty" (quoted because it's reletive) to animals. animals that are killed for fur, unless poched, aren't in any danger of becoming extinct.

and in terms of not being able to bring an extinct animal back, i wouldn't be too sure of that. it's amazing, though moraly debatable, what scientists are able to do with genetic engenering today.

... So is alligator. :shrug: Which, isn't a fur, but it's still worn.

yah i guess it is...and i'm sure somewhere in the world they're eating minks too lol.

what do you call alligator skin anyway? it's not a fur and it's not leather either...i think we need a special catagory for reptilian skins!

PETA kills almost all of the animals that they take in. Why don't you look up what PETA does before you get all bitchy.

I wasn't getting bitchy really. I was trying to tell some asshole off. Lots of people probably slander PETA because of PETA slandering them.

those things hurt animals too.

by not driving cars people push the demand for gas down, it gets cheaper so those who do drive just buy more of it.

"environmentaly friendly" is a reletive term. i challenge you to find a house thats existance has never hurt animals. just it being built destroyed habitat that animals once lived in.

by not eating or using animal products you are decreasing the profit of that industry and the first thing those producers do is drive down their cost of production...like feeding the animals cheaper food and housing them in less pleasent conditions. plus the vegatarian diet isn't completely innocent...clearing of farmland destroys natural habitat that animals once lived in. also, you don't think that animals are killed in cultivation of the vegatarian products? with all of the industrial machines, little bunny rabbits don't stand a chance.

how is keeping an animal as a pet cruel anyway? if you care for it properly, you give it affection, food, and saftey. do you think the animal would fare so well if it were farrel?

and that was exactly my point. cruelty is reletive. you can't very well say that one animal death is worse than another, it's still a life...and as a dominent species, it is inevitable that we are going to negativly effect other species. that's just the way it is.

on a personal note...i don't actually personally condone the use of fur. i just like to play devil's advocate because most people who say that stuff like meat and fur is cruel, don't look at all of the other things in their lives that bring suffering on animals as wrong...it just seems ironic to me.

Fur is fine to wear, of course if you hunted the animal for food and the fur was just a nice additive to keep you warm in the winter.

^^XAndreaX92, that was about how things like farming hurt animals, it had nothing to do with abuse of plants.

read a little more carefully next time.

I just don't understand the pet thing. How is that cruel in any way?

We've had working dogs. And dogs that are just allowed to do pretty much whatever they please. They seem perfectly happy, they could have wandered off whenever they wanted. I used to have chickens, and I don't see how that was cruel either. They had 3 acres to roam around, yet always hung around in the yard. And we didn't eat them...

Eh, I never actually said it was cruel.
I personally don't think it is...

She was saying that we affect the lives of other animals. I was trying to keep humans and animals as separate as possible. Keeping them as pets is definitely affecting them in some way.

are you aware that oftentimes the animals used for fur are still alive whilst being skins?

also the meat of cows is used for eating so at least that isn't being wasted.

^are you aware that small aminals are often crushed alive by farm equipment while harvesting?

^ yes i am. I'm not saying that its u****ortant, but it is unintentional.

^that's debatable. some would say that if it's known about, yet nothing is done to change it, it is plenty intentional.

and what is that word you tried to post?

it said u****ortant. i don't know why it was edited out O.O

****

is n i m p a bad word or something? i was trying to say u n i m p o r t a n t

ok that's just wierd...

its on the fritz!

You're such a fucking idiot. I'm all for fur for warmth, which would be more appropriate if you were living in, say, cavemen times or even the 1600's but we have material to substitute for that. Many of the animals who's fur you wear are tortured and bred specifically because of their fur. Some species are endangered because of it. I hope some animal mauls your ass at some zoo.

You're such a fucking idiot. I'm all for fur for warmth, which would be more appropriate if you were living in, say, cavemen times or even the 1600's but we have material to substitute for that. Many of the animals who's fur you wear are tortured and bred specifically because of their fur. Some species are endangered because of it. I hope some animal mauls your ass at some zoo.

I second. The only places where I totally agree with killing animals for fur is Mongolia and Alaska (Eskimos). They need it, they don't have substitutes like we do.

And I'm not sure if there is anywhere else where it will be needed...but yeah...

Wow, this thread got heated pretty quick. It's clear that fur is really divisive, at least.

But this:

Don't fucking wear it anyways. I am a PETA member and I hate that shit. You wonder why fur isn't around anymore? It's bc all the PETA petition signers. Which one of them was me. The people that wear fur are pathetic humans. How would you like it if someone came upto you, bashed your brains in and then skinned you?

Wow, vitriol and cursing... I'm all for cogent arguments against fur, but hyperbole and emotive language do not a strong argument make. A passionate one, yes, but perhaps not one that stands in the cold light of day.

How would you like it if someone came upto you, bashed your brains in and then skinned you?

To be honest, I'd be very surprised. I'd think they were a bit too much of a Silence of the Lambs fan.
But people don't have fur. We only have skin. That's why we wear fur instead.
Maybe it's all about being jealous of the animal kingdom...

My thanks to all posters who kept things civil and polite, on both sides of the fence. :)

I'm not fucking stupid you asshole. I joined it because I'm an animal rights activist. I do agree they blow shit out of proportion, but I joined them anyways. It's my fucking life anyways.

How could anyone say they are hypocrites? Why don't you guys look up what these factories and shit who slaughter these animals. That big ass beef recall and all that. Then you are going to eat it and wear it. We aren't fucking Native Americans who have to kill shit to survive. The meat we have today were abused animals, and most are fed with steroids in their' food. That's why they are fat. These farm animals don't just get fat by eating wheat, grass, and dried up corn. So now who's the stupid one?

well if you joined PETA its obviously you are dumb or mentaly challenged. if you really care so much about animal rights, join some REAL group that really help animals not fuking hipocrits like PETA. and im not from USA so we dont have those big badass farms so most of my meat comes from happy cows. father of my aunt makes his own ham and bacon and its delicious :)

www.peta2.com check it out it might change ur mind

FUR IS DEAD.
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www.peta2.com check it out it might change ur mind
im not peta but im with audrey kitchings on the fur is dead thing.

You're such a fucking idiot. I'm all for fur for warmth, which would be more appropriate if you were living in, say, cavemen times or even the 1600's but we have material to substitute for that. Many of the animals who's fur you wear are tortured and bred specifically because of their fur. Some species are endangered because of it. I hope some animal mauls your ass at some zoo.

......wear a sweater.

your fucking sick.
cruel .

......wear a sweater.

dont you get sweater from wool? and you get wool from sheeps. ZOMG ANIMAL CRUELTYYY

www.peta2.com check it out it might change ur mind

it wont change my mind. gtfo hipocrit

How could anyone say they are hypocrites?

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

It's exquisite. Why isn't there more of it around?

I'm sure this has already been covered, but I find it disgusting to kill an animal only to wear the carcus as "fashion." It's promoting senseless death in my opinion.

As for leather, I honestly don't wear much leather (besides a single pair of shoes in my closet), and the cow is used for food too, rather than just clothing.

www.peta2.com check it out it might change ur mind

I did.

It didn't.

Idk, I've never understood why people get so worked up about animal cruelty. I wish I had like...a real-world application or something. Why should I care?

We kill cows anyway for food. The same is not true of mink, rabbits, or whatever the hell else they skin to make clothes for rich, tasteless women.

Actually, the minks killed for their fur are sold to fishermen to use as bait for crab. Everything has a use

This (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=8zr4ag&s=3) is my mom's. i never wear it. i just took pics in it. :shrug: it's actually pretty gross. but you have to admit that it's really pretty.

yes, i am aware i will get 234908 flames on this. oh well.

^Wow, that IS really pretty. You should wear it. Unless of course it smells/feels weird.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

wow...so peta's stand is don't kill animals or use their products unless you're one of us?

fucking hypocrits.

^Wow, that IS really pretty. You should wear it. Unless of course it smells/feels weird.

aw thanks :) it doesn't smell or feel weird, actually! its really soft and warm. she has it dry cleaned occasionally. :shrug:

*shrugs* personaly, i think it's pretty damn hypocritical for these teens, who think they are so pro animal rights, to complain about how fur is cruel and horrible while they are wearing cows on their feet!


there are protesters and people accept it more because leather is made from the skin of the cow after they have taken the meat out so that they use the whole animal whereas fur coats and things like that are killed purely for the fur and in a far less humane way because they dont what the animal to bleed onto the fur.

its been said many timessssss. several animals used for fur, are used else places too.

there are protesters and people accept it more because leather is made from the skin of the cow after they have taken the meat out so that they use the whole animal whereas fur coats and things like that are killed purely for the fur and in a far less humane way because they dont what the animal to bleed onto the fur.

well some animals used for fur are used for food and other things...and i suppose i should have mentioned this before, but not all leather is make from cows; just about anything with a hide can be made into leather...you never really know what really cheap leather's made out of :eek2: .

and i would also like to point out that the whole cow's life is pretty damn inhuman in most cases.

How could anyone say they are hypocrites?


www.petakillsanimals.com


Good job guys, you're doing a great job at being ethical! :top:
Round of applause for the hypocrites at PETA :clapper:

Well... I have a rabbit fur vest that was given to me. But I don't wear it, because it's tacky and I live in a hippie state. I would never buy such a thing on my own...

*pets fur coat*

It's the pet I never had!

i don't wear anything that's come from an animal, not even cotton or wool, nor do i eat anything from an animal. :)

i don't wear anything that's come from an animal, not even cotton or wool, nor do i eat anything from an animal. :)

Cotton comes from a plant. I pray you were being sarcastic.