Harry Potter is an awful excuse for Literature, you gain nothing from it but a half baked, predictiable story.

For something really great look for these titles please.

-The Unbeariable Lightness of Being-Milan Kundera
-Death and the Dervish-Mensa Selimovic
-The Brother's Karamozov-Fyodor Dostoevsky

Litt. should challange you, should instruct yo, should be an art form, if your under 15 Harry Potter is great, and it's not like it's bad to read Harry Potter, however it's no great work, these are, they will shake you to your core in some parts

i've never read any of the books you listed but im sure they are better than harry potter

i got bored with harry potter pretty fast....and now that they have a movie for every single one if you didnt read it before hand then you know everything thats going to happen and you might as well see the movie instead of reading the book so you can read other books that havent been put on screen yet


have you ever read
perks of being a wallflower or any of chuck palahniuk's stuff?
those are some pretty amazing books
to me anyway
they make you think about things

Yeah, I'm not really into teen literature, but I'll make a rare exception for the Harry Potter books. But to each his own. Oh! And Twilight by Stephenie Meyers is really good But other than that teen lit, yeah not so much...

Harry Potter is an awful excuse for Literature, you gain nothing from it but a half baked, predictiable story.

For something really great look for these titles please.

-The Unbeariable Lightness of Being-Milan Kundera
-Death and the Dervish-Mensa Selimovic
-The Brother's Karamozov-Fyodor Dostoevsky

Litt. should challange you, should instruct yo, should be an art form, if your under 15 Harry Potter is great, and it's not like it's bad to read Harry Potter, however it's no great work, these are, they will shake you to your core in some parts

:lol:

I'm under 15 and Harry Potter is not great.

Cpt_Bh, you have grat potential. I have not said this yet, but welcome to TeenSpot, even though you joined in May.

Cpt_Bh, you have grat potential. I have not said this yet, but welcome to TeenSpot, even though you joined in May.

:)

James Joyce's A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man is definitely worth reading.

And if you want a series of books aimed at children, but is absolutely brilliant for every audience His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman cannot be beaten.

Joh, you're cursing a lot more often.



I'm scared. :(

Harry Potter is just plain boring and full of teenage angst. Theres a reason why so many publishers turned it down at the time.

Also I'm fed up with the amount of the general poulation that treat it like a work of art and literary genius. Its not. Just goes to show the lack of literary knowledge in todays society.

are you people retarded?

you people are idiots. i will get banned if i say anyfing else on this topic...

Meh, Harry Potter isn't complete crap. It's got a decent storyline and the plot developing is alright. It certainly isn't a classic, but it beats some the alternatives. *cough*Eragon.

and now that they have a movie for every single one if you didnt read it before hand then you know everything thats going to happen and you might as well see the movie instead of reading the book so you can read other books that havent been put on screen yet


The films are lame. They tend to miss out the best scenes. Retarded, really, since its those scenes which produce some of the humor. Seriously, I have no clue why they're even considered as blockbusters. I mean, take the fourth one for example; the maze scene or whatever, was around 1/2 an hour long, ... :yawn: (yeah, I'm using a hyperbole here, quite possibly if you hadn't noticed)... books have to be way better, that is, naturally if you're into that kind of thing. However, I don't really think you can judge it...until you've read them. Personally, I don't see why people aren't allowed to express their thoughts on the matter, since there are soooo many goddamn threads being made about the last book. This particular section is being plagued with them. As for book titles? Since we're on the subject, maybe try reading Northern Lights, that series. Can't remember who its by though.

As for book titles? Since we're on the subject, maybe try reading Northern Lights, that series. Can't remember who its by though.

Philip Pullman, like I said!! :D

I love those books... I've just finished re-reading them for the fourth or fifth time, and they haven't lost anything in the re-reads :D

I don't like Harry Potter books. I think they're boring.
I like the movies though. I mainly watch them for Ron and Draco..

Joh, you're cursing a lot more often.



I'm scared. :(


Be afraid Zack, be VERY afraid.

Seriously, I need to stop cold turkey.




And I will:)

are you people retarded?

sorry?

I don't like Harry Potter books. I think they're boring.
I like the movies though. I mainly watch them for Ron and Draco..

I don't usually watch the mavies, however I think the movies(the one's I've seen) are better then the books

Harry Potter is an awful excuse for Literature, you gain nothing from it but a half baked, predictiable story.

For something really great look for these titles please.

-The Unbeariable Lightness of Being-Milan Kundera
-Death and the Dervish-Mensa Selimovic
-The Brother's Karamozov-Fyodor Dostoevsky

Litt. should challange you, should instruct yo, should be an art form, if your under 15 Harry Potter is great, and it's not like it's bad to read Harry Potter, however it's no great work, these are, they will shake you to your core in some parts

under 15? my mom is 30 and she is going to the bookstore at midnight to get the new book.
And if u hate it so much why post a thread about it???

There's nothing wrong with Harry Potter.

I like Harry Potter, I've never read the books.. but I've attempted a few but got pretty bored with it. I'd rather just watch the film. Takes less time !!

under 15? my mom is 30 and she is going to the bookstore at midnight to get the new book.
And if u hate it so much why post a thread about it???

I suppose hes not hurting anyone with it. I have to say I disagree with the OP but hes not being rude about it. I am glad he can voice is opinion without being a jackass :) for that I admire him. But I strongly disagree with him.

Meh, Harry Potter isn't complete crap. It's got a decent storyline and the plot developing is alright. It certainly isn't a classic, but it beats some the alternatives. *cough*Eragon.

haha yeh Eragon is crap

dudde harry potter rocks...
but yea, i agree, its a light read. and it has very dryly written, but the content is awesome.

not all books have to have 'core shaking' parts. some books you read cuz they're interesting, which harry potter is.

sorry?

anyone who can't see the artistry of Harry Potter must be exceedingly slow.

Dear Harry Potter fans,
There are too many topics already. Please don't make another. You have enough for your predictions. Also, this forum is so slow that you will be able to use an existing thread to discuss what REALLY happened in book 7 after reading it a few times.

Nobody sensible cares about the predictions you've been making for years. Shut up and wait until the 21st to find out what happens. It's not that far away. If I were a fan, I'd want to hear predictions even LESS now; I'd be eagerly awaiting the book. I'd probably begin re-reading 1-6 this weekend.

The series is not literature's savior. I blame the media for hyping it and saying "it makes children read more" after every book release. They may read more, but usually more Harry Potter from what I see.

Last, this thread wins on so many levels.

My mom bought me a Harry Potter book when I was younger. I read 1 chapter and never picked up that poor excuse for a book again. I use it to prop the front door open when it's hot.

Philip Pullman, like I said!! :D

I love those books... I've just finished re-reading them for the fourth or fifth time, and they haven't lost anything in the re-reads :D

I nicked (heh, I mean "borrowed") them off my younger brother and read them... I think one of them had an element of horror. But ... they had an excellent storyline, lovable characters. I never got round to reading his Tin Princess though. And I thought I heard they were making a film or something on that particularlseries? Might be just me hearing things though.

My mom bought me a Harry Potter book when I was younger. I read 1 chapter and never picked up that poor excuse for a book again. I use it to prop the front door open when it's hot.

A friend of mine, who dislike's the series even more than I, would love to meet you:D

I think she might find THAT to be the only appropiate use of the series

A friend of mine, who dislike's the series even more than I, would love to meet you:D

I think she might find THAT to be the only appropiate use of the series


Yeah I'm gonna get my mom to buy me the series so I can throw them at the annoying skater boys next door. That'll teach them not to fuck up our garden because they have no balance and constantly fall over eachother like morons.

anyone who can't see the artistry of Harry Potter must be exceedingly slow.

alright, I very well may be slow, but I fail to see any artistry in the series, mind explaining it?

Yeah I'm gonna get my mom to buy me the series so I can throw them at the annoying skater boys next door. That'll teach them not to fuck up our garden because they have no balance and constantly fall over eachother like morons.

sounds like a good time:)

Ironicaly my little brother is a skater kid who loves Harry Potter.

There are some laying around my house, perhapse I'll use them to keep my weights off the floor, or as a bookstop for other books,


or me and my friends could always play a game of book soccer:eek2:

alright, I very well may be slow, but I fail to see any artistry in the series, mind explaining it?

it's an over-exagerrated way of explaining death and life. the people who die in this series represent that the only thing we can rely on is constant change. Harry couldn't even rely on Dumbledore who he believed to be the most powerful wizard of all time (because he dies). every single second of the novel is well-planned; everything all adds up to make an incrediably complicated story, written to express our own burning "scar": fear of facing the unknown that we know is coming.

art.

it's an over-exagerrated way of explaining death and life. the people who die in this series represent that the only thing we can rely on is constant change. Harry couldn't even rely on Dumbledore who he believed to be the most powerful wizard of all time (because he dies). every single second of the novel is well-planned; everything all adds up to make an incrediably complicated story, written to express our own burning "scar": fear of facing the unknown that we know is coming.

art.

Lol. Would you like me to make a similar but more eloquent post about the Spy High series?

Harry Potter is an awful excuse for Literature, you gain nothing from it but a half baked, predictiable story.

Predictable? Really, please tell me whats gonna go down in the seventh book, save me the thirty dollars :rolleyes:

I'm not going to knock you for not liking Harry Potter. But I am going to wish a pox on your house.

it's an over-exagerrated way of explaining death and life. the people who die in this series represent that the only thing we can rely on is constant change. Harry couldn't even rely on Dumbledore who he believed to be the most powerful wizard of all time (because he dies). every single second of the novel is well-planned; everything all adds up to make an incrediably complicated story, written to express our own burning "scar": fear of facing the unknown that we know is coming.

art.


That's fair enough.

in six books Rowling has managed to explain that change is a constant state of being or some basic notion of existantalism and she has managed to write a series of books that add up and are complex. I don't think you can honestly say it's a particularly complex plot, but thats oppinion.

Let's look at what it is lacking. The book does not really examine the psych of the characters to any signifigant level, yes in six books we have see the characters change to some degree and mature, however investigation into the psych of the characters is primitive and simple compared to Selimovic, Kundera, Dostoevsky etc. He language is simple and unimaginative(with the exception of the magic vacabularly), the language itself is not beautifull and has no elegance to it., there is no grand desription of the enviorment. it's just simple and plain.

The novel never really challanges the reader, it never shakes you. Does Rowling bring about and scenes compariable to Dostoevskies "The Rebellion" or Ivan's talk with the devil, to Selimovic's depiction of Nuruddin beggin for his brothers life and despretly attempting to wake the mufti from his boredom. Selimovic has an incrediable beauty to his language that renders to entire novel to almost the status of a grand poem, presents existentalism and Nietzschian "will to power" to hid readers, and present terrible tragedy. Dostoevsky examines and plunges into the Psych of his characters and attacks the "eternal questions: like no other author etc.

So Rowling manages to present a story where everything adds up, the story is complicated(according to you), and she convers the basics of some sort of philosophy. Well done to her, she has suceeded in fufilling the basic responsibilities of an author. However frankely so far as I can see Dr. Seus's "Green Eggs and Ham" is about as complex, also conveys a story/moral whatever, everything adds up, and his language is more interesting.

Predictable? Really, please tell me whats gonna go down in the seventh book, save me the thirty dollars :rolleyes:

I'm not going to knock you for not liking Harry Potter. But I am going to wish a pox on your house.



:D

that's a good point.

I shoulden't say that it is predictiable as there is nothing to suprising, there are some suprises in the series, but nothing astounding.

Lol. Would you like me to make a similar but more eloquent post about the Spy High series?


yes:)

Meh, Harry Potter isn't complete crap. It's got a decent storyline and the plot developing is alright. It certainly isn't a classic, but it beats some the alternatives. *cough*Eragon.

Atleast I could read Harry Potter.
Eragon wasnt as intresting.

Predictable? Really, please tell me whats gonna go down in the seventh book, save me the thirty dollars :rolleyes:

I'm not going to knock you for not liking Harry Potter. But I am going to wish a pox on your house.

lol :D

I'm not going to read all of the posts, but why does a book have to be challenging, insightful, life-changing, or any other stupid cliches.

The Idiot and Crime and Punishment > Brothers Karamozov by the way.

Anyway, reading Harry Potter is no different then watching Dumb and Dumber despite the fact that there are hundreds upon hundreds of more intelligent, more important movies.

Sometimes a guy likes to watch Dumb and Dumber more than Citizen Kane. And sometimes a guy wants to read Harry Potter more than the Great Gatsby.

Hoo Ha.

I believe you (not the above user) may have the wrong mindset. Who says anything has to challenge you in order to make you better for the experience.

Atleast I could read Harry Potter.
Eragon wasnt as intresting.

Now *that * I agree with. Eragon waffled too much. One of the few novels that I put down after about ten pages in. Never picked it up again.

anyone who can't see the artistry of Harry Potter must be exceedingly slow.

lololol

Dear Harry Potter fans,
There are too many topics already. Please don't make another. You have enough for your predictions. Also, this forum is so slow that you will be able to use an existing thread to discuss what REALLY happened in book 7 after reading it a few times.

Nobody sensible cares about the predictions you've been making for years. Shut up and wait until the 21st to find out what happens. It's not that far away. If I were a fan, I'd want to hear predictions even LESS now; I'd be eagerly awaiting the book. I'd probably begin re-reading 1-6 this weekend.

The series is not literature's savior. I blame the media for hyping it and saying "it makes children read more" after every book release. They may read more, but usually more Harry Potter from what I see.

Last, this thread wins on so many levels.

I think this should be stickied.

I nicked (heh, I mean "borrowed") them off my younger brother and read them... I think one of them had an element of horror. But ... they had an excellent storyline, lovable characters. I never got round to reading his Tin Princess though. And I thought I heard they were making a film or something on that particularlseries? Might be just me hearing things though.

I loved the parallels with Milton's Paradise Lost. And some of the subjects which Pullman addresses in the series are fairly huge ones - the destruction of the Kingdom of Heaven for one... He's on the Catholic Church's list of biggest sinners I think...

And yea, they're making a film of it... Calling it the "Golden Compass". I was so annoyed by the change of title. Northern Lights sounds so much better.

I loved the parallels with Milton's Paradise Lost. And some of the subjects which Pullman addresses in the series are fairly huge ones - the destruction of the Kingdom of Heaven for one... He's on the Catholic Church's list of biggest sinners I think...

And yea, they're making a film of it... Calling it the "Golden Compass". I was so annoyed by the change of title. Northern Lights sounds so much better.

Yeah, I would agree with you on that, heh. Paradise Lost, man... I studied the first book on that for a module last semester, the parallels are good, but I wonder... and can only hope they don't miss out some of the descriptive scenes, in regards to the film. Humm. I actually like both titles including the book titles, but I would've thought the Northern Lights, sounded better. I wonder when it will be out? I would so go and see that.

Christmas!! And there's trailers and stuff on youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK6MDIEQjMg

Good. Not long to wait then. And Thanks. ^.^ Will check them in a moment.

I'm not going to read all of the posts, but why does a book have to be challenging, insightful, life-changing, or any other stupid cliches.

Because that makes it not a wast of your time to read?

There's no scientific answer, why does a painting need to be anything more than a stick figure poorly ndawn?

The Idiot and Crime and Punishment > Brothers Karamozov by the way

I doubt it, but I'll read them soon nough and find out.

Anyway, reading Harry Potter is no different then watching Dumb and Dumber despite the fact that there are hundreds upon hundreds of more intelligent, more important movies.

Right, and I have no problem with people reading Harry Potter, I went through this weird stage when I was like in between 7-8th grade where I coulden't find anything to read, I wasen't allowed by my mother to get books at the University Library yet, and the local one just had nothing I considered good, so I read my brother's Harry Potter books several times over. I

Sometimes a guy likes to watch Dumb and Dumber more than Citizen Kane. And sometimes a guy wants to read Harry Potter more than the Great Gatsby.

I've heard the Great Gatsby is horrible but I don't know.

Either way yes, sometimes someone may feel like they just want to wast some time and read Harry Potter, or they like me when I was 12-13 just don't have anything else to read, and always like to be reading SOME book. However I don't care about that, I do dislike seeing Harry Potter being waved around as the greatest thing in Litt. Siance Shakespeare, and Rowling is the next Leo Tolstoy.

Where in the world has Rowling been compared to Tolstoy or any non-fantasy author?

Lol. Would you like me to make a similar but more eloquent post about the Spy High series?

what the fuck is Spy High?

I dont mind them but i prefer slightly more mature books.

1984-george orwell
various andy mcmoneygrab books

That's fair enough.

in six books Rowling has managed to explain that change is a constant state of being or some basic notion of existantalism and she has managed to write a series of books that add up and are complex. I don't think you can honestly say it's a particularly complex plot, but thats oppinion.

Let's look at what it is lacking. The book does not really examine the psych of the characters to any signifigant level, yes in six books we have see the characters change to some degree and mature, however investigation into the psych of the characters is primitive and simple compared to Selimovic, Kundera, Dostoevsky etc. He language is simple and unimaginative(with the exception of the magic vacabularly), the language itself is not beautifull and has no elegance to it., there is no grand desription of the enviorment. it's just simple and plain.

The novel never really challanges the reader, it never shakes you. Does Rowling bring about and scenes compariable to Dostoevskies "The Rebellion" or Ivan's talk with the devil, to Selimovic's depiction of Nuruddin beggin for his brothers life and despretly attempting to wake the mufti from his boredom. Selimovic has an incrediable beauty to his language that renders to entire novel to almost the status of a grand poem, presents existentalism and Nietzschian "will to power" to hid readers, and present terrible tragedy. Dostoevsky examines and plunges into the Psych of his characters and attacks the "eternal questions: like no other author etc.

So Rowling manages to present a story where everything adds up, the story is complicated(according to you), and she convers the basics of some sort of philosophy. Well done to her, she has suceeded in fufilling the basic responsibilities of an author. However frankely so far as I can see Dr. Seus's "Green Eggs and Ham" is about as complex, also conveys a story/moral whatever, everything adds up, and his language is more interesting.

well put, actually.

I've heard the Great Gatsby is horrible but I don't know.


It's long, horrible, predictable, drawn out, and boring.

It's long, horrible, predictable, drawn out, and boring.

Nah. First of all it's about 180 pages. Not at all predictable, possibly drawn out (depends if you like it or not), and I didn't think it was boring at all.

And I don't understand why the original poster keeps comparing FANTASY books AIMED for CHILDREN to classic literature. I mean if there's a story/article somewhere where someone has done this, please tell me.

And yes, Harry Potter probably is a "classic", it will be read for generations, much like the books you mentioned. (And yes, The Idiot blows away The Brothers Karamozov, and Crime and Punishment is slightly better, although the BK is very good.)

I love Harry Potter.
But you know what I dislike?
The series of unfortunate events.
The first couple are cute.
But then they're so fucking predictable.
It's the same story, repeatedly.

Predictable? Really, please tell me whats gonna go down in the seventh book, save me the thirty dollars :rolleyes:

I'm not going to knock you for not liking Harry Potter. But I am going to wish a pox on your house.

Its like 18 bucks at Borders on opening night :D

But anyways. At least this guy isnt saying "I hate Harry Potter because he teaches that witchcraft is ok." I swear, OK I understand you have your belief's but show me ONE cult/group that has formed because they read Harry Potter and are now trying to preform witchcraft. My moms friend tried to purify me when she found out I like the books. I just don't get it. But I suppose, like I said before this guy can support what hes saying so, I give him props for that but I totally disagree, I believe Harry Potter is a wonderful piece of fiction, especially compared to books like Eragon and Lemony Snicket. Those were TERRIBLE books. If you'd like a good fantasy novel I recommend Sabriel by Garth Nix

I doubt it, but I'll read them soon nough and find out.

Crime and Punishment is definitely worth the read. Brilliance.

If you'd like a good fantasy novel I recommend Sabriel by Garth Nix

:nod: that whole trilogy is vastly superior to the Harry Potter series.

Actually everything he's written (that I've read) is vastly superior to Harry Potter.

Crime and Punishment is definitely worth the read. Brilliance.



:nod: that whole trilogy is vastly superior to the Harry Potter series.

Actually everything he's written (that I've read) is vastly superior to Harry Potter.

I :pink: both series and I love them both. I would recommend them both

Yeah, I'm not really into teen literature, but I'll make a rare exception for the Harry Potter books. But to each his own. Oh! And Twilight by Stephenie Meyers is really good But other than that teen lit, yeah not so much...


The Harry Potter books are great.... Twilight by Stephenie Meyers is great too.. so was New Moon I can't wait for Eclispe...

I think this needed to be bumped.

And I wish people would read the fucking stickies.

There's too many fucking HP threads.

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i read all the harry potter books, i started in fourth grade, and i never really loved them, there not an exceptionally good read, theres just the curiousity though of whats going to happen next that holds you to the book. other than that, i agree, there are much better things to read.

h4rry p0+h34d s4v3d m@ lyf3

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

4 +r00I_Y?!?!!!1

Okay thread.
Die now.

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4 +r00I_Y?!?!!!1

ROFLROFLROFL
YA RLY

My mom bought me a Harry Potter book when I was younger. I read 1 chapter and never picked up that poor excuse for a book again. I use it to prop the front door open when it's hot.

What do you expect? First chapter - Do you expect it to be amazing. Duh.

I think Harry Potter is so entertaining. If you hate it so much, shut up and stop complaining, your only drawing more attention about him.

-The Unbeariable Lightness of Being-Milan Kundera
-Death and the Dervish-Mensa Selimovic
-The Brother's Karamozov-Fyodor Dostoevsky

Litt. should challange you, should instruct yo, should be an art form, if your under 15 Harry Potter is great,



Uh yeah for all your reading you still misspelled 'your'. It's 'you're'.

Harry Potter is awesome, i dont nno y u thank such a thang...... But them books are probabey worse then any book

I hate the books, they are awful!
They are poorly written and I find them really boring!

HP is an okay series as far as books go, I've seen better but I've also seen worse. Just because you don't like it dosn't mean you need to start a thread and tick off a million people, or was that your plan?