View Full Version : Who is to blame for the Holocaust?
franki_frog
02-13-2006, 12:26 PM
I posted this in the school board around exam time and got some pretty good answers, but I have decided to do a speech on this topic and was looking for some insight. Who do you think is to blame for the holocaust? The Nazi's? Maybe the Jews, or the Germans. In a broader spectrum maybe it is socitey in general. I appreciate any and all answers, thanks in advance!
Assef
02-13-2006, 02:19 PM
In a way....you could argue the allied minimally based on their treatment of germany post-ww1.
I'd say 95% is in the hands of the germans though.
Bogart
02-13-2006, 03:05 PM
All of Europe and the United States of America. Europe ignored Germany but holistically remained harsh towards it. I also blamed USA since American companies did business with Hitler.
Scondren
02-13-2006, 04:24 PM
I blame, you know, the Nazis.
Laura1212
02-13-2006, 04:26 PM
The Nazis.
Scondren
02-13-2006, 04:27 PM
You know, you're pretty awesome.
Jerlene
02-13-2006, 05:23 PM
The Notsees are to blame for everything. The Holocaust, The Great Depression, Low Minimun Wage, George Bush, etc. etc.
franki_frog
02-13-2006, 05:58 PM
Uhh, thanks for the insight.
Senor_El_Roboto
02-13-2006, 10:26 PM
Hitler's parents. It was all because of POOR PARENTING.
In my oppinion it all startet because of the Treaty of Versaille. Without it they never would have won that power struggle. But of course, THEY are to be blamed. They wouldn't have had to kill all these people if they just wanted some kind of revenge!
Anssi
02-14-2006, 03:57 PM
I blame the Jews for their success and the Germans for their jealousy, and then I blame the Wall Street Crash for making people worse off and increasing jealousy and open to fanatical extremist ideas which paved the way for Hitler, and then I guess I blame Himmler somewhat, and then I blame that evil guy in Schindlers list, you know the one, the German who shot the kid in the back of the head and generally shot people from his balcony and then I blame some other countries for not letting the Jews into theirs to escape and then I blame the nazis a bit more, and then I blame the U.S.S.R for attacking Finland the bunch of ****s.
Pedroh
02-14-2006, 04:02 PM
What do you mean you blame Jews for their success? What the fuck were they so successful at?
Anssi
02-14-2006, 04:06 PM
At being ragingly succesful. Jewish businesses, lawyers, doctors. Disproportionate amounts of Jews in good professions.
beautifully_chaotic_2
02-14-2006, 07:07 PM
Everyone who knew about the Holocaust while it was happening is to blame. I think that when you know that somehting bad is happening, yet you do nothing, is helping the problem persist. Hitler wat to blame, of course for have so many dumb prejudices against the jews with no real way to back up what he was blaming them for. How in the world can you blame them for things like The Depression and Losing WW2? And they only made up about 1% of the population. The German people are also to blame as well, mainly because no one spoke up. I can't really blame them for that though, knowing that whoever spoke out against Hitler was Jailed or killed. I just think it's weird how he manipulated them so that they didn't even realize their own freedoms and rights were being taken away from them. The Nazis are to blame of course for carrying everything out. And the people who deny the Holocaust are to blame as well... mainly because if something like this is ever forgotton, that will increase the chances of something like this happening again.
banjoloafer
02-14-2006, 07:12 PM
Hitler and the Nazis.
Kinda sounds like a 60's band doesn't it?
beautifully_chaotic_2
02-14-2006, 07:17 PM
Hitler and the Nazis.
Kinda sounds like a 60's band doesn't it?
lmao.!!
N_S_D_A_P
02-15-2006, 04:13 AM
The jews. Anyone who believes other wise is in denial.
YouGunnaLuvMe
02-15-2006, 12:10 PM
The People Who Wouldn't Let Hitler Become An Artist and Adding On To His Depression and Anger
OR Read http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/2005/379/index.html?id=pp10.htm
darksion
02-15-2006, 02:35 PM
The People Who Wouldn't Let Hitler Become An Artist and Adding On To His Depression and Anger
OR Read http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/2005/379/index.html?id=pp10.htm
Good answer i think the Beach Boys are responsible for Charles Manson
Scondren
02-15-2006, 02:52 PM
Actually, it's the Beatles, not the beach boys.
Autokrator
02-15-2006, 04:23 PM
I blame Islam.
Had muslims not captured Jerusalem, then there would have been no crusade and no reconquista in Spain. There would have been no harassment of the Jews in Europe because there wouldn't have been an Inquisition. Then the Germans wouldn't have become so anti-semetic.
Assef
02-16-2006, 05:50 PM
I blame Islam.
Had muslims not captured Jerusalem, then there would have been no crusade and no reconquista in Spain. There would have been no harassment of the Jews in Europe because there wouldn't have been an Inquisition. Then the Germans wouldn't have become so anti-semetic.
anti-semetism isn't solely attributed to the crusades.
Autokrator
02-16-2006, 06:34 PM
anti-semetism isn't solely attributed to the crusades.
True, but I'm glad you agree with everything else.
Assef
02-16-2006, 07:06 PM
True, but I'm glad you agree with everything else.
Here's my stance.
I blame Islam.
No.
Had muslims not captured Jerusalem, then there would have been no crusade and no reconquista in Spain.
Agreed.
There would have been no harassment of the Jews in Europe because there wouldn't have been an Inquisition.
Usury.
Then the Germans wouldn't have become so anti-semetic.
No.
I'm not arguing with your history, only the assumptions drawn from it.
longislandguy
02-16-2006, 07:54 PM
keep in mind the holocaust killed 2 million polish people. The jews weren't the only ones considered inferior. It was a superiority complex created by the Nazi regime that controlled the minds of many young germans.
notice how the non-germanic italians, or the very different japanese weren't targeted for the holocaust. i wonder Y that is...
Assef
02-16-2006, 08:41 PM
keep in mind the holocaust killed 2 million polish people. The jews weren't the only ones considered inferior. It was a superiority complex created by the Nazi regime that controlled the minds of many young germans.
notice how the non-germanic italians, or the very different japanese weren't targeted for the holocaust. i wonder Y that is...
Politics I'm guessing. Hitler twisted Nietzsche's ubermensch philosophy to fit his own views and make a "cleaner" world. It certainly wasn't only the jews, but it was the jewish culture which suffered the most.
Autokrator
02-16-2006, 08:55 PM
Well, he didn't target Greeks either.
But yeah, my historical assumptions were very streched, I apologize for that, I was tired.
Laura1212
02-19-2006, 11:30 PM
You know, you're pretty awesome.
Who, me? And why is that?
Bogart
02-21-2006, 12:38 AM
Politics I'm guessing. Hitler twisted Nietzsche's ubermensch philosophy to fit his own views and make a "cleaner" world. It certainly wasn't only the jews, but it was the jewish culture which suffered the most.
Hitlers favorite book probably was Machiavelli's [The Prince. Everyone bought into the lie. Why do you think it took so long for any other country to react?
GermanDude101
02-24-2006, 06:14 PM
Actually, the one who designed and planned out and carried out operations for the Holocaust was Himmler and some other guy... They, the Nazi Party, and the people ( SS Guards ) who carried out the massacres are to blame.
There is a broader picture and a lot more people who were involved, but it was basically the Nazi party which was in control.
Mitch__69
02-26-2006, 07:18 AM
lol i would have blamed the ppl that actually carried out the whole process.. lol the whole.. its the jews fault is like saying its the chicks fault for getting raped... i like to think that people.. or countries.. or groups.l are responsible for there own actions...
Assef
02-26-2006, 10:05 AM
Hitlers favorite book probably was Machiavelli's [The Prince. Everyone bought into the lie. Why do you think it took so long for any other country to react?
I'm looking for the word, I can't name it but here's a description. I was always told the strategy was to satisfy the nazis and hopefully they'd stop. for example, after they took poland, england figured the nazis would stop since hitler already sacked the country. I think it was called appeasement, but there's a more formal definition that has slipped my tongue.
Largely to blame was the bystanders as well. Hitler was very sensitive to public protest, when he was about to deport a group of jews who intermarriaged, the gentile wives of the jews protested and hitler actually gave in.
Scondren
02-26-2006, 11:27 AM
appeasement.
jesteraver
02-26-2006, 12:35 PM
At being ragingly succesful. Jewish businesses, lawyers, doctors. Disproportionate amounts of Jews in good professions.
narrow-minded fool.
hitler and his nazi party only used that because of the war Deutschland started decades before.
if deutschland did not start world war 1 and had to pay back the amount of money it did, world war 2 might of never happened.
the jews in deutschland had nothing to do with what happened to the deutsch economy its the king at the after world war one that fucked everything over and brought hitler to power.
jesteraver
02-26-2006, 12:39 PM
there is honestly some great answers here and some people who havent gone to school or have a really bad education system in their country, from some of the responses I have seen in this thread.
WhiteLightWhisper
02-26-2006, 12:51 PM
Hitler, Nazi's. You can't blame it on the Jewish, it's not like they were the only ones put into the camps. Hitler wanted to get rid of gypsies, homosexuals, cripples, ect. You can't blame all of Europe either... Just because there was a war between the countries, doesn't mean there had to be the holocaust, it was Hitler's idea to take the distraction of the war for his own sick ideas. It wasn't a necessity in the war to win, it was pretty much a side-battle. It was like putting a bunch of baby chicks in a cage with a lion while all the lion tamers were out on lunch break.
If any of that made any sense.
Scondren
02-26-2006, 01:47 PM
narrow-minded fool.
hitler and his nazi party only used that because of the war Deutschland started decades before.
if deutschland did not start world war 1 and had to pay back the amount of money it did, world war 2 might of never happened.
the jews in deutschland had nothing to do with what happened to the deutsch economy its the king at the after world war one that fucked everything over and brought hitler to power.
Germany most empthatically did not start WWI.
jesteraver
02-26-2006, 02:53 PM
Germany most empthatically did not start WWI.
they did lose it, with them losing it and having to pay back a huge amount of money, is one of the reasons Hitler uses jews as an example.
E-Pro
02-26-2006, 06:02 PM
Any of you guys seen Night and Fog, the movie?
They ask "Who is responsible?". It's a French documentary on the Holocaust, it's good.