What ancient civilization do you guys think was the greatest?

-Captain Dan

Chinese b/c they are still great to this day.

^shut up the only good thing about the chinese is that they're still around. Even after thousands of years, but they're not great or powerful anymore.

I chose the Romans.

I chose the Egyptians.

^shut up the only good thing about the chinese is that they're still around. Even after thousands of years, but they're not great or powerful anymore.

I chose the Romans.
They have 1/7 of the worlds population!!!! and their economy is awesome.

Rome ruled the world for 1,000 years, and they were the most gruesome people to date, so I choose Rome...Gaikokujin has a point though, the Chinese invented gunpowder, and shotguns, but they're commiunists.

They have 1/7 of the worlds population!!!!

Having sex a lot to make babies doesnt make a country great.

Im tied between Egyptians and the Romans. I love both and find both very interesting.

Having sex a lot to make babies doesnt make a country great.

Im tied between Egyptians and the Romans. I love both and find both very interesting.
Funny, both of the civilizations that you mentioned had a lot of sex...Romans used to get drunk off of wine and have huge orgies, and some Egyptian Pharaohs had over 50 children.

I love everything about eygypt (well almost everyting) and i simply adore Romean mytholagy

eygypt had my vote

Where's Mesopotamia?

The Romans.

This thread sucks...The fucker forgot Atlantis!

Where's Mesopotamia?

The Assyrians were the descendants of the original Mesopotamians.

-Captain Dan

The Assyrians were the descendants of the original Mesopotamians.

-Captain Dan
But the Mesopotamians created "an eye for an eye," What'd the Assyrians do?

But the Mesopotamians created "an eye for an eye," What'd the Assyrians do?

They conquered a vast empire and showed no mercy to dissenters. They also pioneered siege engines.

-Captain Dan

They conquered a vast empire and showed no mercy to dissenters. They also pioneered siege engines.

-Captain Dan
The romans crucified people, and they salted the fields of the people they conquered, so they would have no chance of rebellion.

Definately the Romans. Any society where the majority of the men are bisexual pedophiles (those orgies didn't require women, you know) is the one for me. Also, the Ars Amoratia is a big plus.

Funny, both of the civilizations that you mentioned had a lot of sex...Romans used to get drunk off of wine and have huge orgies, and some Egyptian Pharaohs had over 50 children.

I meant that in reply to the China having 1/7th of the population. I realize both of those civilizations had sex a lot. Nonetheless, even though the Romans and Egyptians had sex a lot, that isnt the reason for why they are great.

GO NUBIA!!! I wish I was a Nubian princess!

I meant that in reply to the China having 1/7th of the population. I realize both of those civilizations had sex a lot. Nonetheless, even though the Romans and Egyptians had sex a lot, that isnt the reason for why they are great.
I know, I was just fucking with you.

Romans are by far the best because they've influenced our culture so much.

Egypt most obviously, they remained at the top for centuries, and they realized that women were smart and deserved power, while not that many others did, unless you count Sparta, but even they didn't let women rule.

Anyone who didn't say Rome should be beaten. This didn't say which was your favourite, it said "greatest." Rome is the greatest Empire ever to reign. It controlled most of the known world, made the Mediterranean a Roman lake, and lasted for almost 2,000 years(In the form of the Roman Republic, The Roman Empire, and the Byzantine Empire). It has had an unarguable effect on our civilization. Most of the languages in Western European are based off Latin, and even English is greatly effected by it.

Egypt most obviously, they remained at the top for centuries, and they realized that women were smart and deserved power, while not that many others did, unless you count Sparta, but even they didn't let women rule.

they didnt LET women rule Clepoatra co-ruled with her father and then her brother

oh and i voted Rome cause they are the best and right now I'm into Rome: Total war

i voted greeks. but i love egyptians too.

Err the swahilli civilization?

Err the swahilli civilization?
o, at first i thot u said nubian, but ill post it anyway.


nubia (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.internetpuppets.org/afrmapnubia.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.internetpuppets.org/afrnubia.html&h=337&w=450&sz=40&tbnid=UNSdLioJXrgJ:&tbnh=92&tbnw=124&hl=en&start=4&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnubia%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D% 26ie%3DUTF-8)

heres about the swahili, couldnt find nothin good-swahili (http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/CIVAFRCA/SWAHILI.HTM)

Chinese of course! They invented gun powder, paper (however, Egyptians invented papyrus...but paper's better), and compases. Where would we be without those?

I liked the egyptians.

I'm bothered that Swahili is on there, as well as three overrated native american groups and the Israelites, but the Norse/Germanics are conspicuously absent.

they didnt LET women rule Clepoatra co-ruled with her father and then her brother
They did have a woman Pharaoh named Hatshepsut in the New Kingdom. She ruled for 22 years.

I picked the Chinese, because while they were isolated they were years ahead of everyone else with technology. They lasted for thousands of years. And the silk road was the greatest trade route in the time it existed. The communism is fairly current in their history.

The romans, because of their economy and the influences they put on culture

Ancient Greeks. Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Crito... you just can't go wrong.

Except that they were all a bunch of pretentious, elitist ***s.

Beautiful democracy for the elite and shithole slavery for the rest.

Well, I can't really put the Romans on the same field as the Greeks because they took so much of their culture from them, so I'd have to say the Egyptians followed by the Roman civilization.

I chose the aztecs, didnt thay come up with chocolate?

they didnt LET women rule Clepoatra co-ruled with her father and then her brother


How about Nefertiti?
And wasent Isis one of thier greatest out of thier god and goddesses?
by the way women were respected much more than in almost every other anqient civilization, and even they could get high positions, start thier own buisnesses and stuff like that. Women were looked at as almost equals until the romans came.

[QUOTE=Sirena]Originally Posted by Someone502
they didnt LET women rule Clepoatra co-ruled with her father and then her brotherQUOTE]

and also, cleapatra was very intellegent and you oviously dont know much about her history.

What ancient civilization do you guys think was the greatest?

-Captain Dan

Your choices are awful; where are the Persians? The Indians?

I would have to say the greatest ancient civilization was definately the Persians, if it wasn't for our good Iranian friends the Scythians and the Alans modern Europeans would not exist as they do.

From the list you have given I would say that the Chinese are the greatest ancient civilization.

Anyone who didn't say Rome should be beaten. This didn't say which was your favourite, it said "greatest." Rome is the greatest Empire ever to reign. It controlled most of the known world, made the Mediterranean a Roman lake, and lasted for almost 2,000 years(In the form of the Roman Republic, The Roman Empire, and the Byzantine Empire). It has had an unarguable effect on our civilization. Most of the languages in Western European are based off Latin, and even English is greatly effected by it.

How is Rome the greatest civilization ever? Most of the things the Romans invented only helped them kill more people in wars. Also, Rome controlled most of the world; known to EUROPEANS, China was larger than Rome ever was.

If your going by the languages we speak why not choose the Indians? They gave us Sanskrit which all European languages except Basque, Finn and Hungarian are based on.

The Aztecs of course, until the spaniards came and wiped them all out... well, I shouldn't say that... most of us Mexicans today are descendants of Mayan/Aztecs... we just were tainted with Spanish blood.

well, my favorite is the chinese civilization. no doubt the roman conquest is impressive, but their society and culture has never impressed me.

we just were tainted with Spanish blood.

Its odd I was just thinking about this today. Why do so many Mexicans refer to themselves as "Spanish"? I'm not talking about the Mexicans in Mexico, I'm referring to the ones in Canada and America.

Most Mexicans, Dominicans, And a lot of peurtoricans aren't spanish by any meens. They're decendents of Maya/aztecs.


It's sad to see a great civilization like the maya/aztecs turn into a bunch of amigos swimming the rio grande river to get the first bid on a lanscaping job.

greatest? Roman.

i think it's between roman, chineses, aztecs, & egyptians

i think it's between roman, chineses, aztecs, & egyptians

Completely different time eras. You're just saying that becuase you want it to look like one continent hasn't spurred greater civilizations than another.


As far as western civilizations ......Romans..

Romans and/or the Etruscans.

It's sad to see a great civilization like the maya/aztecs turn into a bunch of amigos swimming the rio grande river to get the first bid on a lanscaping job.

Swimming? There's water there, now? >.> When the hell did this happen.

I would have to say the Romans or the Greeks.

are u serious the Greeks ! were the first civalazation n the best ....

well most o f u ...here says that romans had the greatest civalazation ..??? but i dont know if u know that the romans created what they did based on the greeks..?????undoubtedly the romans had a great civalazation..but all the statues ..all the buildings ..generally all their civalazation was based on the greek 1..coz when the romans first came to greece n specially to athens ..they were amazed by greeks civalazation ..they way that greeks respected their gods.they way they lived n of course the culture..they took greek philosophers to rome to teach the romans what the greeks knew for centuries.. i disagree wiv all of u..i dunno but ..so Greeks ruled the very known earth long time ago ..before the romans appear.. bout the persians..though Alexander the Great taught them anything that greeks knew till then...improove their education n their culture..thats why Alexander the Great is still admired by the persian ppl .n some of them admired as a saver or a god....Anyway ppl uv got to go through all history.. n see that the greeks are the greatest ! anyway im proud to be Greek ! ! im very proud that i come from ppl that created n developed the first civalazation ever...! anyway thanks ...havin a look at my post..

The ancient Sumerians and Egyptians, as they developed farming and agriculture and used their environment to build thei empires, The greeks because they developed the theatre and medicine, as well as pushing boundaries on science and education.

But the romans were the ones who took all of that together and built one massive empire. So the romans.

well most o f u ...here says that romans had the greatest civalazation ..??? but i dont know if u know that the romans created what they did based on the greeks..?????undoubtedly the romans had a great civalazation..but all the statues ..all the buildings ..generally all their civalazation was based on the greek 1..coz when the romans first came to greece n specially to athens ..they were amazed by greeks civalazation ..they way that greeks respected their gods.they way they lived n of course the culture..they took greek philosophers to rome to teach the romans what the greeks knew for centuries.. i disagree wiv all of u..i dunno but ..so Greeks ruled the very known earth long time ago ..before the romans appear.. bout the persians..though Alexander the Great taught them anything that greeks knew till then...improove their education n their culture..thats why Alexander the Great is still admired by the persian ppl .n some of them admired as a saver or a god....Anyway ppl uv got to go through all history.. n see that the greeks are the greatest ! anyway im proud to be Greek ! ! im very proud that i come from ppl that created n developed the first civalazation ever...! anyway thanks ...havin a look at my post..


But the romans took all of that and used it practically and efficiently to build an empire and control their people for over 600 years, and then the Byzantines kept that up for a further 400 years. They had true resourcefulness and used their position in the known world (geographically) to push all their frontiers and create an empire that wasnt topped for over 1500 years.

Completely different time eras. You're just saying that becuase you want it to look like one continent hasn't spurred greater civilizations than another.


As far as western civilizations ......Romans..


Chineses?

Anyone who didn't say Rome should be beaten. This didn't say which was your favourite, it said "greatest." Rome is the greatest Empire ever to reign. It controlled most of the known world, made the Mediterranean a Roman lake, and lasted for almost 2,000 years(In the form of the Roman Republic, The Roman Empire, and the Byzantine Empire). It has had an unarguable effect on our civilization. Most of the languages in Western European are based off Latin, and even English is greatly effected by it.

Dude, the british empire spanned 1/4 of the world, and there is a saying...

"the sun never sets on the British Empire", which is true because of Time zone positions and what not...

Egyptians. They were awesome. I think the Romans were brilliant also.

But the romans took all of that and used it practically and efficiently to build an empire and control their people for over 600 years, and then the Byzantines kept that up for a further 400 years. They had true resourcefulness and used their position in the known world (geographically) to push all their frontiers and create an empire that wasnt topped for over 1500 years.
ok yes i agree ..but long before romans appear in europe..greeks ruled all the very knowd world then...long before any civalazation make any kind of development..evolution.....greeks ruled n control all the era.they were3 the starters of many sciensces..medical...Architectural.... .... democracy..n lets do not forget democracy comes from Greece .... Philosophy...military n many more..
....before romans appeared..i think iv told u this before but there is a myth by Ancient greek Homer....a troyan went to sicely after the burn of Troy ..n then moved to Italy....he was the reason..of the creation of the roman empire..he wanted to revenge the Achaious..not greeks..coz Troy was also greek..nwayz thats only a myth...aww n as for the Byzantine empire....it was not Roman..it was very but hell very dif from the Romans..they were CHristian ..n didnt believed to the 12th greek gods of olympus as the romans did...so Byzantine n romans r very dif.....by the way the major n the greatest ppl
among the new Byzantine empire..were greeks....when the west part of the empire where italy was ..was seperated ..n became the eastt empire the only byzantine empire..u can study n see that the greatest n wealthiest ppl were greeks..thats why ..som of the byzantine emperors hav greek names... ..greeks i can say ruled by with a christian orthodox ..way.... i just wanna clear that i do not disagree that the roman empire was among the greatest ever..BUT all the prooves of that romans were facsinated by the Greeks n moved their culture n way of life to rome....soo..the prooves r in rome..Architectures ..that look like the Greek...poems ... dramatical ..n theater shows ..i cant remember more rit now..but if u seek for prooves ul find em..
forgive m spellin but im on a hurry..:P

What ancient civilization do you guys think was the greatest?

-Captain Dan


I would personally choose the Persian Empire but noooooooooooooo you choose not to list it u communist bastard. :mrt:

ok yes i agree ..but long before romans appear in europe..greeks ruled all the very knowd world then...long before any civalazation make any kind of development..evolution.....greeks ruled n control all the era.they were3 the starters of many sciensces..medical...Architectural.... .... democracy..n lets do not forget democracy comes from Greece .... Philosophy...military n many more..
....before romans appeared..i think iv told u this before but there is a myth by Ancient greek Homer....a troyan went to sicely after the burn of Troy ..n then moved to Italy....he was the reason..of the creation of the roman empire..he wanted to revenge the Achaious..not greeks..coz Troy was also greek..nwayz thats only a myth...aww n as for the Byzantine empire....it was not Roman..it was very but hell very dif from the Romans..they were CHristian ..n didnt believed to the 12th greek gods of olympus as the romans did...so Byzantine n romans r very dif.....by the way the major n the greatest ppl
among the new Byzantine empire..were greeks....when the west part of the empire where italy was ..was seperated ..n became the eastt empire the only byzantine empire..u can study n see that the greatest n wealthiest ppl were greeks..thats why ..som of the byzantine emperors hav greek names... ..greeks i can say ruled by with a christian orthodox ..way.... i just wanna clear that i do not disagree that the roman empire was among the greatest ever..BUT all the prooves of that romans were facsinated by the Greeks n moved their culture n way of life to rome....soo..the prooves r in rome..Architectures ..that look like the Greek...poems ... dramatical ..n theater shows ..i cant remember more rit now..but if u seek for prooves ul find em..
forgive m spellin but im on a hurry..:P

The Egyptians and Mesopotamians were leaders in Science and Medicine...

Dammit! It's closed! I wanted to vote for the Incas, even if they weren't the "greatest ancient civilization". I'm biased.

Dude, the british empire spanned 1/4 of the world, and there is a saying...

"the sun never sets on the British Empire", which is true because of Time zone positions and what not...



It was 1/5, and Britain of the 1800s is hardly an "ancient" civilization, is it?

Romans

Honestly no one voted for The Assyrians WOW! If I remember correctly, they gave rights to any and all ethnicities that were under their rule.

The Aliens that visitued this oplanet.

Chinese.

i think its funny how u jus put chinese......

and u missed out the babalonians.........

the chinese, egyptions, greeks and romans were all truely great ancient civilisations.....

and the babalonians were apparently, according to alot of people, rather alien, or very in contact with them.

if the aliens were ever here, they never really left, but they apparently lived side by side with the babalonians...

an wot the hell does ur sig mean, left over crizak?

I'm surprised no one's brought up the Indian civilizations. Its cities are some of the oldest, yet some of the most advanced of their time. Its contributions to modern philosophy, science, and mathematics are invaluable. The ancient Indians invented the concept of zero! They also laid the foundations of algebra which the Arabs improved upon. Their astronomy and astrology were so highly advanced, even Carl Sagan was quoted as saying no other civilization could compare with their discoveries and establishments in the fields of cosmology.

yah, the indus valley civilazations were pretty advanced- they had a whole drainage system and other things. i actually think that chinese, indians, and egyptian civilizations were the greatest, but your free to think as you wish. besides, their far older then the roman and greek civilizations.

Not to mention India is the spiritual hotspot where four world religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism), two of them major, were conceived.

Where the fuck are the Celts?

Wales, Cornwall, Scotland, Ireland?

Yes sir. Despite what a Saxon might say, the celts were quite a civilisation. :)

The civilizations that should really be listed:

Roman
Greek
Egyptian
Persian
Mesopotamian
Assyrian
Nubian
Chinese
Indus River

The Celts weren't the most established of civilisations, but they were one none the lest. The Celts had a very strong culture as well as fighting tactics.

The Aztecs only came to be in the 1300's. They died out in the 1500's. How exactly is that "A great ancient civilisation?"

The Ancient Welsh were awesome mountaineers. They had the ability to build forts sticking out of rock faces which hung over passes. They would span a whole crevice and then block off all other entry routes, forcing enemies to pass directly underneath the fort while they fired arrows from it.

Of course, they continually attacked each other until a few princes in the Medieval age went and annihilated them, but still, they were fun while they lasted.

Remember the indus valley civilization was crushed when the Aryans invaded. They didn't last that long, so they aren't that great.

The Ancient Welsh were awesome mountaineers. They had the ability to build forts sticking out of rock faces which hung over passes. They would span a whole crevice and then block off all other entry routes, forcing enemies to pass directly underneath the fort while they fired arrows from it.

Of course, they continually attacked each other until a few princes in the Medieval age went and annihilated them, but still, they were fun while they lasted.
That's interesting to know. I'd love to know more about the Welsh. I'm half Welsh.
Though I do know that they fought the Normans well.

Remember the indus valley civilization was crushed when the Aryans invaded.

Most contemporary scholars dismiss the whole notion of an invasion. They believe it was a mass migration, if anything, for they have found no evidence of a battle(s) of any scale. The whole basis of the invasion theory relied on the supremacist belief that Aryans were the master race of Europe. It's actually more commonly accepted that the fall of the Indus Valley civilization was due to unforeseen natural causes, rather than human inflicted.

You can look it up yourself, if you want.

They didn't last that long, so they aren't that great.

The IVC lasted for about 2000 years, a bit longer than the Roman Empire.

the greatest was probably the civilization of atlantis.....

theyve only just found it tho, so theyre not sure how much of the legend is true.

otherwise it was either the roman or the egyption.

the romans acheived alot, and the egyptions were alot smarter than us....the stuff they acheived was amazing......theyre all mysterious and stuff aswell.....which is a good thing.

the greatest was probably the civilization of atlantis.....

theyve only just found it tho, so theyre not sure how much of the legend is true.

otherwise it was either the roman or the egyption.

the romans acheived alot, and the egyptions were alot smarter than us....the stuff they acheived was amazing......theyre all mysterious and stuff aswell.....which is a good thing.
HAHA

Atlantis.

What a joke.

Bahaha, Atlantis derives from v.v.V. old myths of a city of gods that was built from the waves.

Highly doubtable.

Okay time to bring out the uber history here.

First of all, the Nubians, Mali, and Swahili aren't civilizations. For one to have a civilization, they need to have cities. The above cultures did not.

Second correction:
Incas, Mayans, and Aztecs were not ancient civlizations. They may have been civilizations, but they only came about during the time that Europe was in the Mediaeval period, therefore, they can't chronologically be placed as ancient.

I'd say that the greatest civilizations therefore are a tie between Rome and Greece. The reasons are as follow:
Greece:
-Polis system
-First to use organized warfare
-Democracy
-First to have a literate society
-Created science, mathematics, astronomy (with help from Egyptians on that one) in the ways we know them today
-Philosophy
-Gave us real Literature
-Were first to use complicated (and tasteful) Architecture
-Dominated the trade in the Aegean and Mediterranean
-Established colonies from the Black Sea to Spain
-Alexander brought civilization as far as Indian and parts of China
-Were first to keep real history
-Their alphabet was the basis of the Latin alphabet

Rome
-Took Greek civilization and spread it to the rest of the Mediterranean
-Were first to devise the idea of a Republic
-Were first to enact serious laws as opposed to merely religious ones
-Extended the priveledge of Roman citizenship around its provinces
-Were first to use a professional army
-Created a vast system of highways which can still be found today and which major roads still follow. All roads in Europe DO lead to Rome.
-Expanded on literature
-Established Silk Roads
-Constructed great cities, aqueducts, temples, etc.
-Gave us the basis for the modern calander
-Lasted until 1453AD

why do all your polls close? damnet lol, just leave it open i say!!! and the romans or the chinese

Having sex a lot to make babies doesnt make a country great.

Im tied between Egyptians and the Romans. I love both and find both very interesting.
in fact right now the policy in china is a couple only can have one child,so just keep silence if the fact is u don't really know about that.

Doesn't make China any better though.

in fact right now the policy in china is a couple only can have one child,so just keep silence if the fact is u don't really know about that.

The One Child policy is coming under scrutiny. Everyone is dumping female babies to have male babies, that way, the family name carries on and the child can provide for the family in later years.

My point still stands. Lots of people does not render a country great.

Hittites, though they are generally classed as Mesopotamians.

The One Child policy is coming under scrutiny. Everyone is dumping female babies to have male babies, that way, the family name carries on and the child can provide for the family in later years.

My point still stands. Lots of people does not render a country great.
i can not argue ur opinion about lots of people can make a country strong,but about ur words about dumping female babies in order to get a male babies,long long time ago it did happened in china,right now it doesn't happened here as before,maybe in some areas it still exist,but just in some secluded areas.

Yes... because that's why 60 Minutes did a piece on it less than a year ago.

60 Minutes > you.

What ancient civilization do you guys think was the greatest?

-Captain Dan

Definitely The Egyptians.

PERSIA!!! its not up there for some reason. I only think persia due to there revolutionary morality. All the other ancient civilizations (to my knowledge and in my person beliefs) are aw struck by the persians all because of their morality.

In what aspect great? Civil rights? Philosophy? Science? Technology? Military Power? Politics? Size?
Anyway I would still say the Greeks.

The greatest would be the Greeks. The most fascinating, to me, are the Mayans.

ROMANS.

Roma Invicta!

The Romans of course.

I like you.

Aztecs > all

Don't think so.

Aztecs > all

Aztecs? To my knowledge, no offense, the aztecs made no worldwide strides and were founded by running out of the reach of a people who they offended, and for what? To only be slaughtered because of their obvious inferiority.

i didnt understand a word you said. ok.

America!

mogolian empire rulz too.

Wtf, Mongolians weren't a civilization.

kicked your ass.

The Greeks? They never reached us.

But they still weren't a civilization. To be a civilization, the first requirement is having cities, and nomads...not so much.

I thought you where italian...

...what gave you that idea?

Greeks if you're talking about lasting contributions; Romans if you're talking about dominance at the time.

mogolian empire rulz too.

That's a medieval empire.

Persian Empire should be on this poll. Silly Captain_Dan. Anyway, I'll go for the Chinese Empire.

The Chinese was amazing.. why is this poll closed?

Because, as is natural, the Romans quelled the opposition.

nah, Romans got beat by savages. that = fail

"Magenta"]There was actully three great anicent civilization the first was The Mayans, and then The Atzecs and some other one I can't remember right now we actually just came off that subject at school and had to do a major porject on it v_v I really don't appericate the Mayans clock with its 12/23/2012 this has scientist going crazy prediciting everything from the end of the world to history repeating itself.]:eek2:

nah, Romans got beat by savages. that = fail

If that makes you feel better about your own crappy "civilization" then sure.

nah, Romans got beat by savages. that = fail

Not as severe a phail as it would have been if the Romans had been beaten by un-savages who couldn't fight as well as savages. Actually, Romans getting beaten by savages = tiny phail, as phailures go.

If that makes you feel better about your own crappy "civilization" then sure.

my civilization didnt include having sex with underage boys so they can learn and gods who all way had sex.

right...........

The Greeks? They never reached us.

But they still weren't a civilization. To be a civilization, the first requirement is having cities, and nomads...not so much.

Do you know ANYTHING about the way Mongols dominated? There's Karakorum, first off, the capital of the Mongol, empire, Xanadu, their provincial capital in China during Kublai's reign, and Ulaan Batuur, the current capital - then there's the fact that when they conquered Khwarzm they rebuilt on the shores of whatever that sea is called.

The Mongols had fucking cities. They built cities.

Those are just the major cities.

Getsuga, stop making joke accounts.

The Romans are seen as influential, and they are, because of their language and their governmental structure. But it was the Greeks who supplied the culture, the arts and the appreciation for philosophy and beauty that frankly, I think the Romans lacked. The Romans made great historians and leaders. The Greeks made great artists and philiosophers.

God, you are such a guy. Seriously. I'm not SAYING the Greeks or Romans are better, i'm saying they had different qualities which make them great civilisations in themselves.

For fuck's sake, life isn't always a competition.

Getsuga, stop making joke accounts.

lol i wish

"The Greeks, a people valorous in words, not deeds."

You just reinforced why Romans are better.

because the Romans were brutes? nice

strength does not make the best. for all their strength, they lost to savages.

The Greeks explored the beauties of human existance, and developed almost every tenet of modern philisophy we have. They sought to understand, not to conquer. And it makes them a great people in a different way to the Romans.

Yes, I agree, the Turks and Muslims were savages.


You can't call the Byzantines Romans, by that time they had dropped the name and were barely a carcass of what the Roman Empire was.

Which is why...they're not as good as the Romans.

The Greeks have done good, defeating the Persians, conquering the known world, and giving us the foundations for Western Civilization, but it was the Romans who made the world into what it is.

You can't compare two entirely different nations based on a mentality that was only existant mainstream in one of them. "They're not as good." That is a fucking archaic way to define a culture against another culture. It's an insanely aggressive and masculine culture which defines the only measure of a nation's importance as it's militarism.

Yes, I agree, the Turks and Muslims were savages.

they were violent yes, but by no means savages. they enhanced our learning where Rome could not

Which is why...they're not as good as the Romans.

The Greeks have done good, defeating the Persians, conquering the known world, and giving us the foundations for Western Civilization, but it was the Romans who made the world into what it is.

when Rome fell, it was the Catholic Church who preserved their culture. so really, it was the Catholics who made the world into how it is now

You can't compare two entirely different nations based on a mentality that was only existant mainstream in one of them. "They're not as good." That is a fucking archaic way to define a culture against another culture. It's an insanely aggressive and masculine culture which defines the only measure of a nation's importance as it's militarism.

Hoo-ah!

they were violent yes, but by no means savages. they enhanced our learning where Rome could not
Your words, not mine.


when Rome fell, it was the Catholic Church who preserved their culture. so really, it was the Catholics who made the world into how it is now
Which is something I've said on TS before, but without the Romans, they wouldn't have been able to preserve any culture.

Incidentally, if the most militaristic country were automatically the greatest, the Mongols would have the Romans beat by light years.

Incidentally, if the most militaristic country were automatically the greatest, the Mongols would have the Romans beat by light years.
They actually have to be civilized as well.

civilized = not barbarians.

Your words, not mine.

Which is something I've said on TS before, but without the Romans, they wouldn't have been able to preserve any culture.

ok.............

they could have fallen back on the Greeks, whom the Romans ripped off

They actually have to be civilized as well.

civilized = not barbarians.

The Mongols were pretty civilized, by your standards, after they conquered the Chin lands. Scholars and trebuchets and stuff.

Don't talk history, getsuga. Especially Western history, since you know so little of it.

They actually have to be civilized as well.

civilized = not barbarians.

i wouldnt consider the Romans civilized either. the Colossium is not the pinnacle of civilization

Oh for fucks sake, I despise you so fucking much. As i've stated, Karakorum, Ulaan-Batuur, Xanadu, the whole of modern China, modern western asia, modern Asia as a whole. The way the Mongols divided their country are astonishingly similair to the boundaries of modern asian countries.

The Mongols were pretty civilized, by your standards, after they conquered the Chin lands. Scholars and trebuchets and stuff.

My standards of civilization are that they have to be some form of European.

Oh for fucks sake, I despise you so fucking much. As i've stated, Karakorum, Ulaan-Batuur, Xanadu, the whole of modern China, modern western asia, modern Asia as a whole. The way the Mongols divided their country are astonishingly similair to the boundaries of modern asian countries.

As is the way the Romans divided their provinces. What's the point?

Don't talk history, getsuga. Especially Western history, since you know so little of it.

i talk of what i know. and you exalting the Romans when the truth is another thing that i know about. im leveling out the playing field

My standards of civilization are that they have to be some form of European.

Wow, you're a retard.

My standards of civilization are that they have to be some form of European.

lol my definition is the complete opposite

i talk of what i know. and you exalting the Romans when the truth is another thing that i know about. im leveling out the playing field

You're leveling out the playing field by being such a retard it cancels out the intelligence of the rest of us.

my civilization didnt include having sex with underage boys so they can learn and gods who all way had sex. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty#Central_America

Bernal Diaz del Castillo, in his The Conquest of New Spain, reported that the Mexica peoples regularly practiced pederastic relationships, and male adolescent sacred prostitutes would congregate in temples. The conquistadores, like most Europeans of the 16th century, were horrified by the widespread acceptance of sex between men and youths in Aztec society, and used it as one justification for the extirpation of native society, religion and culture, and the taking of the lands and wealth; of all customs of the Nahuatl-speaking peoples, only human sacrifice produced a greater disapproval amongst the Spaniards in Mexico. The custom died out with the collapse of the Aztec civilization.

Though early Mayans are thought to have been strongly antagonistic to same-sex relationships, later Mayan states employed pederastic practices. Their introduction was ascribed to the god Chin. One aspect was that of the father procuring a younger lover for his son. Juan de Torquemada mentions that if the (younger) boy was seduced by a stranger, the penalty was equivalent to that for adultery. Bernal Diaz reported statues of male pairs making love in the temples at Cape Catoche, Yucatan.

Wow, you're a retard.

I'm using classical Greek definitions for barbarity.

You're leveling out the playing field by being such a retard it cancels out the intelligence of the rest of us.

you're too biased to see when you're wrong

I'm using classical Greek definitions for barbarity.

I hate to swear, but that doesn't stop you being an Eskimo.

Aborigines.




























Nah not really.

you're too biased to see when you're wrong

Not in this case. The modern world is one which is based off of Western Civilization because of the Romans. So, the fact that their civilization is still dominant to this day is why the Romans are the best.

As is the way the Romans divided their provinces. What's the point?

Are you this pig-headed? The Mongols had a sophisticated culture, developed cities, incredibly developed infrastructure and a system of patrol and scouting, as well as psychological warfare, which rivals the most advanced Roman tactics. In fact, their hit and run strategy punched huge holes and outran the clunky European infantry and cavalry, all the descendants of Roman tactical warfare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty#Central_America

Bernal Diaz del Castillo, in his The Conquest of New Spain, reported that the Mexica peoples regularly practiced pederastic relationships, and male adolescent sacred prostitutes would congregate in temples. The conquistadores, like most Europeans of the 16th century, were horrified by the widespread acceptance of sex between men and youths in Aztec society, and used it as one justification for the extirpation of native society, religion and culture, and the taking of the lands and wealth; of all customs of the Nahuatl-speaking peoples, only human sacrifice produced a greater disapproval amongst the Spaniards in Mexico. The custom died out with the collapse of the Aztec civilization.

Though early Mayans are thought to have been strongly antagonistic to same-sex relationships, later Mayan states employed pederastic practices. Their introduction was ascribed to the god Chin. One aspect was that of the father procuring a younger lover for his son. Juan de Torquemada mentions that if the (younger) boy was seduced by a stranger, the penalty was equivalent to that for adultery. Bernal Diaz reported statues of male pairs making love in the temples at Cape Catoche, Yucatan.

interesting. ive never heard of that before.

Not in this case. The modern world is one which is based off of Western Civilization because of the Romans. So, the fact that their civilization is still dominant to this day is why the Romans are the best.

so? i can also blame all our problems on the Romans too. just because you are the victor doesnt make you the best

Are you this pig-headed? The Mongols had a sophisticated culture, developed cities, incredibly developed infrastructure and a system of patrol and scouting, as well as psychological warfare, which rivals the most advanced Roman tactics. In fact, their hit and run strategy punched huge holes and outran the clunky European infantry and cavalry, all the descendants of Roman tactical warfare.

You mean their cowardly stratagem of tossing thing at people?

In any case, I think we've established this before, I don't hate the Mongols because of any fault in their civilization, but because a) they suck in Medieval 2, and b) they raped Russia too much.

I'm using classical Greek definitions for barbarity.

I never said they were perfect. Their attitudes towards women left a lot to be desired. But i'm using modern criteria to look back, which is what comparitive history has to do, or otherwise all findings become hopelessly subjective beyond what they would already become.

so? i can also blame all our problems on the Romans too. just because you are the victor doesnt make you the best

It does, actually.

You mean their cowardly stratagem of tossing thing at people?

In any case, I think we've established this before, I don't hate the Mongols because of any fault in their civilization, but because a) they suck in Medieval 2, and b) they raped Russia too much.

lol butthurt? its not their fault Russia sucks balls at defense.

It does, actually.

so in WW2 Hitler was the best?

so in WW2 Hitler was the best?

Hitler lost.

Oh god, I hate men sometimes. It's called tactics, not cowardice. And you want to tell a Mongol Raider he's a coward to his face? Your skull will be the one at the top of the pile when they stack them up in the village square.

stav, you're too biased

Oh god, I hate men sometimes. It's called tactics, not cowardice. And you want to tell a Mongol Raider he's a coward to his face? Your skull will be the one at the top of the pile when they stack them up in the village square.

Which is admirable, that they have honor, but real men fight hand-to-hand.

Oh god, getsuga, please stop. Please, please stop.

lol butthurt? its not their fault Russia sucks balls at defense.

Russia's defence is pretty awesome, it's just that the Mongols were so cnany and stuff. Mongolians're the only chaps ever to successfully invade Russia.

why?

Which is admirable, that they have honor, but real men fight hand-to-hand.

Oh, cut the macho bullshit.

Oh god, getsuga, please stop. Please, please stop.

Even if we disagree on everything else, can we both agree to getsuga being...someone who doesn't rank amongst the intelligent?

Oh, cut the macho bullshit.

I'd have to be a woman to do that.

uh huh, because you know quantum physics so well, right stav?

Russia's defence is pretty awesome, it's just that the Mongols were so cnany and stuff. Mongolians're the only chaps ever to successfully invade Russia.

Probably because the Mongols were used to a harsh climate and they invaded from the other side.

^ Still, Mongolians are pretty awesome. They rode down the river to Moscow and stuff, and they were fighting the Persian Empire at the same time.

I'd have to be a woman to do that.

No you don't. You have to have an I.Q over 100.

uh huh, because you know quantum physics so well, right stav?

Last I checked, this was a conversation on history, not quantum physics.

Also, Russia was horribly disunited when the Mongols came. Easy pickings in any case.

^ Still, Mongolians are pretty awesome.

Nice edit.

No you don't. You have to have an I.Q over 100.

I have 138 dammit. :mad:

Last I checked, this was a conversation on history, not quantum physics.

Also, Russia was horribly disunited when the Mongols came. Easy pickings in any case.

either way, im part of the "intelligent" as you say. although if they're all arrogant like you, then i would rather be on my own

sucked balls. got it

I have 138 dammit. :mad:

Wow, rofl, I have a higher IQ than you. I honestly wasn't expecting that.

either way, im part of the "intelligent" as you say. although if they're all arrogant like you, then i would rather be on my own

sucked balls. got it

I think most of TS will have to disagree with you on that one.

And I bet if the Russians were to have fought your Aztec barbarians at that time, they would have won.

Wow, rofl, I have a higher IQ than you. I honestly wasn't expecting that.

I was. ;]

most of TS are "plebs" as you say. anyway, i might not be good in history like you, but i would utterly rape you in anything remotely related to science

not really. we would so kick their asses

Um, the Aztecs didn't use horses, and Russian cavalry was immense. These guys are the forerunners of the Cossacks.

most of TS are "plebs" as you say. anyway, i might not be good in history like you, but i would utterly rape you in anything remotely related to science

not really. we would so kick their asses
Yes. You would. An 11 year old would as well. I don't attempt to talk science, but you attempt to talk history, which is why you are to be mocked.

Doubt it. Your pajama warriors couldn't really do much.

Um, the Aztecs didn't use horses, and Russian cavalry was immense. These guys are the forerunners of the Cossacks.

And the Mongolians still beat them!

Um, the Aztecs didn't use horses, and Russian cavalry was immense. These guys are the forerunners of the Cossacks.

Actually if I'm not mistaken Russians weren't very dependent on their cavalry yet, and still relied on infantry warfare. They moved to the horse once the Mongols came and didn't abandon it until Peter the Great.

I mean at the point after the Mongol retreat. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

I mean at the point after the Mongol retreat. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Gotcha.

I finally started a campaign in Medieval 2 as a non-European. I wanted to go with Egypt because the Fatimids are my favorite medieval Muslim civilization, but their units kinda suck so I went with Turks.

I mean at the point after the Mongol retreat. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Did the Mongolians ever retreat from Russia? I thought they just settled and mingled and stuff.

At the moment, my Moors have dominated the whole of northern africa, a little bit of the Holy Land and is almost into France. Just Pamplona left, and the Spanish are now pretty demoralised.

Yes. You would. An 11 year old would as well. I don't attempt to talk science, but you attempt to talk history, which is why you are to be mocked.

Doubt it. Your pajama warriors couldn't really do much.

no. i wouldnt. big deal, i talk what i know. i know enough history to know you're biased. horribly.

oh please, toga man. and your avatar has a Mexican hat on. nice

Did the Mongolians ever retreat from Russia? I thought they just settled and mingled and stuff.

They were driven out.

Dmitri Donskoi ftw!

Did the Mongolians ever retreat from Russia? I thought they just settled and mingled and stuff.

Also, quite a number of the Russian Mongols went to China when Kublai was fighting the province of Shantung (Which was tiny, but well fortified) so that Kublai could leave experienced troops under a small amount of command and lead from the front against the Sung.

At the moment, my Moors have dominated the whole of northern africa, a little bit of the Holy Land and is almost into France. Just Pamplona left, and the Spanish are now pretty demoralised.
I'm not a fan of the Moors for some reason. Maybe it's because they always betray me when they're my allies. Like those fucking Milanese.
no. i wouldnt. big deal, i talk what i know. i know enough history to know you're biased. horribly.

oh please, toga man. and your avatar has a Mexican hat on. nice
Toga men? You know, Greeks and Romans had pretty advanced armor. Aztecs at most had like...a wicker shield.

pretty advanced armor? like togas?

...what did I say about you being a retard?

..........what did i say you being biased?

and im mocking you, in case you didnt notice

They were driven out.

Dmitri Donskoi ftw!

Ahah. I've only finished book one and two of the Conn Iggulden trilogy about the Mongolians, and they haven't even killed the Chin emperor yet. So forgive my ignorance :mad:.

Wonder how Iggulden's gonna get to Hungary by the end of the third book.

Have you played the Genghis Khan campaign in Age of Empires 2? It's pretty rad.

God, at least when I mock someone with historical facts, they're actually...you know, facts.

You're just like "well Aztecs were better than Greeks 'coz Greeks had anal sex!!!"

Ahah. I've only finished book one and two of the Conn Iggulden trilogy about the Mongolians, and they haven't even killed the Chin emperor yet. So forgive my ignorance :mad:.

Wonder how Iggulden's gonna get to Hungary by the end of the third book.

How did that book on Cicero go?

God, at least when I mock someone with historical facts, they're actually...you know, facts.

You're just like "well Aztecs were better than Greeks 'coz Greeks had anal sex!!!"

you're all like "the Greeks were better than the Aztecs because they were European!!!!"

if you want me to be mature, get rid of your horrible bias. its the sign of a bad historian.

i wasnt mocking you with facts, i was mocking the toga wearing

The Aztecs had a very effective way of warfare, though.

Their armies in the jungle were split up into lots of different groups that would make different animal sounds to the other groups in order to coordinate attacks.

Sort of like Teamspeak with jaguars.

Yes, and Europeans have always been much better fighters than pretty much the rest of the world.

My bias is fun, and has a basis. Yours doesn't.

The Aztecs had a very effective way of warfare, though.

Their armies in the jungle were split up into lots of different groups that would make different animal sounds to the other groups in order to coordinate attacks.

Sort of like Teamspeak with jaguars.

I'm on TS as we speak!

Anyway, didn't Aztecs fight open battles though? Isn't that why they got raped by like the 3 Spaniards who were there?

How did that book on Cicero go?

Awesomely and radically. Imperium by Robert Harris, if you're interested. I read a book about Pompeii by Harris afterwards, about a Roman aqueduct who finds the volcano is about to blow, but it wasn't as good. Just can't beat books about the Senate.

Anyway, didn't Aztecs fight open battles though? Isn't that why they got raped by like the 3 Spaniards who were there?
I viewed a terrible documentary about this recently, which said that that was a myth. I had to stop watching it after half an hour, but it turns out the Spaniard was just tricking them with Christianity and when the Aztecs let their guard down got an army or something.

Yes, and Europeans have always been much better fighters than pretty much the rest of the world.

My bias is fun, and has a basis. Yours doesn't.

not really...........

no it doesnt. and its a bad thing to have. look at Alathaea. she's not arguing with a bias, but is exploring the good things about other civilizations. you cant just say one is better. you have to look beyond what is better and compare achievements of different groups to learn from them.

Awesomely and radically. Imperium by Robert Harris, if you're interested. I read a book about Pompeii by Harris afterwards, about a Roman aqueduct who finds the volcano is about to blow, but it wasn't as good. Just can't beat books about the Senate.

Try Rubicon: Last Years of the Roman Republic by Tom Holland. I'm pretty sure I've recommended it before, but it's really a good read.

Oh, cut the macho bullshit. Yeah, he doesn't take it far enough. REAL men drink themselves into a frenzy, strip naked, paint themselves blue and charge towards the enemy screaming and wielding a claidheamh with the warpipes playing.

Not this ***gy business of relying on the man next to you. Damn hoplites.

I'm on TS as we speak!

Anyway, didn't Aztecs fight open battles though? Isn't that why they got raped by like the 3 Spaniards who were there?

they got raped because they all got sick and died. because, you know, they were actually hygenic unlike the Europeans

not really...........

no it doesnt. and its a bad thing to have. look at Alathaea. she's not arguing with a bias, but is exploring the good things about other civilizations. you cant just say one is better. you have to look beyond what is better and compare achievements of different groups to learn from them.

Everyone has a bias. You have your Aztecs. I have Europeans. Alathaea has everything non-European and womanly. It works out.

they got raped because they all got sick and died. because, you know, they were actually hygenic unlike the Europeans

Funny, because the Europeans got the Black Death from Asia.

I'm on TS as we speak!

Anyway, didn't Aztecs fight open battles though? Isn't that why they got raped by like the 3 Spaniards who were there?

Well, when they attacked they ran at the foe with clubs and obsidian weapons, into clearings, and the enemy had guns. So they never even got to the Spaniards.

And getsuga, the Aztecs, Maya, Inca, Moche, Toltecs, Olmecs and pretty much every mesoamerican culture got so completely obliterated that very VERY few people in mexico are related to Mesoamerican peoples.

It only happens in a big way in Peru, because the villages at very high altitudes were left untouched.

Try Rubicon


Yeah and they use real mangos aswell it's well lush.

Everyone has a bias. You have your Aztecs. I have Europeans. Alathaea has everything non-European and womanly. It works out.

my "bias" is just to counter yours. if you werent so biased, i wont need to keep this up

they got raped because they all got sick and died. because, you know, they were actually hygenic unlike the Europeans Washing prevents you from getting smallpox?

Do you believe, like Jacob Zuma, that it can prevent AIDS too?

Actually, my bias is against anything that I feel is argued badly. If I have someone I like who has a bad argument, i'll argue with them.

my "bias" is just to counter yours. if you werent so biased, i wont need to keep this up

I only do it because I hate you.

Actually, the Aztecs became ill because the viruses of smallpox and etc. were foreign, so there was no genetic resistance.

Funny, because the Europeans got the Black Death from Asia.

from rats, not Asians

Well, when they attacked they ran at the foe with clubs and obsidian weapons, into clearings, and the enemy had guns. So they never even got to the Spaniards.

And getsuga, the Aztecs, Maya, Inca, Moche, Toltecs, Olmecs and pretty much every mesoamerican culture got so completely obliterated that very VERY few people in mexico are related to Mesoamerican peoples.

It only happens in a big way in Peru, because the villages at very high altitudes were left untouched.

yes, im aware of that. nevertheless, the spirit of the Aztecs lives on (at least in Mexico). and we still have some Aztec blood in us.

And getsuga, the Aztecs, Maya, Inca, Moche, Toltecs, Olmecs and pretty much every mesoamerican culture got so completely obliterated that very VERY few people in mexico are related to Mesoamerican peoples.
You're totally wrong on this. Mexicans in general look more like Amerinds than Spaniards. There are quite a lot of Spaniards, but most have at least some native blood and probably nearly half has a majority.

The Spaniards didn't have women so they married the natives, rather than the north Americans who didn't.

The rats had fleas which came from the East. Sorry gimpsuga.

And as Praeco said, no amount of cleanliness can help you.

Psh, less than 1% of the population has any blood link to the Aztecs, and even then it's very detached. Claiming the Aztec Empire as your roots is incredibly superfluous.

Washing prevents you from getting smallpox?

Do you believe, like Jacob Zuma, that it can prevent AIDS too?

it could help

I only do it because I hate you.

likewise

Actually, the Aztecs became ill because the viruses of smallpox and etc. were foreign, so there was no genetic resistance.

ya, but it might not have been so bad

You're totally wrong on this. Mexicans in general look more like Amerinds than Spaniards. There are quite a lot of Spaniards, but most have at least some native blood and probably nearly half has a majority.

Not in Mexico.

Psh, less than 1% of the population has any blood link to the Aztecs, and even then it's very detached. Claiming the Aztec Empire as your roots is incredibly superfluous. No, only 1% speak the Aztec language of Nahuatl. It's like saying I don't have majority Irish blood because I'm an English-speaker.

Not in Mexico. I'm not talking about the ruling elite.

The rats had fleas which came from the East. Sorry gimpsuga.

And as Praeco said, no amount of cleanliness can help you.

yes, but smallpox came from people, the plauge came from animals. yea, Euros werent the epitome of cleanliness

so lets not shower? great

Psh, less than 1% of the population has any blood link to the Aztecs, and even then it's very detached. Claiming the Aztec Empire as your roots is incredibly superfluous.

thats exaggeration. we're meztisos, we're mixed Native-Euro

yes, but smallpox came from people, the plauge came from animals. yea, Euros werent the epitome of cleanliness

so lets not shower? great


Yeah, Euros weren't the epitome of cleanliness, but even if they were, they still would have gotten the plague. Just like the Aztecs did.

Where did I say let's not shower? You fucking monkey.

it would have been alot more contained.

im making fun of your point. cleanliness does help, even if slightly

No, it really doesn't, not in this case. Your retard is showing.

ok, believe what you wish. there's a reason why cleanliness is so important

Yes, and averting the Black Death is not one of them.

Besides, if you're calling the Europeans dirty, you're also calling the Aztecs dirty, because they got it as well.

Theodora Roxxors!

That is all.

Theodora Roxxors!

That is all.

Yeah, she does. So does Justinian.

NIKA! NIKA!

Yes, and averting the Black Death is not one of them.

Besides, if you're calling the Europeans dirty, you're also calling the Aztecs dirty, because they got it as well.

oh no?

no im not. black death was more preventable than smallpox. also, Europe has a history of epidemia

MONTEZUMA FOREVER!!!!!

Europe has a history of epidemics because of their high population density, so disease could spread much faster. Also, none of the possible causes of the Black Death could be realistically halted or even significantly slowed by better sanitation; certainly not by the methods available at the time.

Also, Maya > Inca > Aztecs.

Europe has a history of epidemics because of their high population density, so disease could spread much faster.

Also because Europe had a lot of domesticated Animals, which opened up other avenues for diseases/exposure to different diseases (such as Small Pox). Outside the Dog in North America, and the llama in South America, there were no real domesticated animals in the new world, so they had a much more limited exposure.

Europe has a history of epidemics because of their high population density, so disease could spread much faster. Also, none of the possible causes of the Black Death could be realistically halted or even significantly slowed by better sanitation; certainly not by the methods available at the time.

Also, Maya > Inca > Aztecs.

im not saying that the plauge could have been stopped, but better sanitation could have gone a ways to at least reduce the death count, if not stop or slow the spread. Tenochticlan was heavily populated i think, over one million in the capital of the Aztecs (although i could be wrong, its been a while since i read any history)

pretty much, but you know, me being Mexicans, and we're partly descended from the Aztecs.......yea

So then you just admitted to poor sanitary conditions not being the cause, thus Europeans being dirty or not was irrelevant.

I'd also like to inform you that the Black Death was also in the Byzantine Empire, which was much more sanitary than Western Europe, and in the Islamic World, which was also much more sanitary than Europe.

no, im saying that the diry European conditions probably added more to the effects of the plauge

Then why did people die in places where they were sanitary in large numbers?

And why doesn't science actually back up your claim?

like?

why does science tell me that if i wash my hands and live in clean quarters, i wont get sick as often?

You're a fucking retard you little Mexican monkey. Stop talking.

good argument. im clearly in the wrong. yes i am so jealous of your immense scientific knowledge stav

I, and others, have already told you why you're wrong. Here we go again though.

Who else was infected by the plague? Byzantines and Muslims. Both enjoyed a much more hygienic life than Western Europe, and yet still suffered huge amounts of deaths.

Secondly, the black death could not have been prevented by any amount of cleanliness, and science has shown this.

Sorry. You fail.

i didnt say prevented, i said slowed down. damn you're slow

NO. IT DIDN'T.

OTHER PEOPLE. CLEANER PEOPLE. DIED.

YOU FUCKING MONKEY

show me the death rates of Muslims, Byzantines, and Europeans then

like?

why does science tell me that if i wash my hands and live in clean quarters, i wont get sick as often?

Because sanitation can and does prevent or slow down certain diseases. Cholera and dysentery, for example. But none of the theorized causes of the Black Plague fall into this category.