Wouldnt you agree?
If a man can pull a country out of a depression (Of Course not without the help of Streismann) and lead it to become a superpower in just 8 years then he has to be admired (Not to be confused with believing in his ideas).

Only people with valid points please, No "OMG BUT HE LIEK KILLED MILLIONS OF JEWS!!!111!"

^ well u have a point. But im more surprised at how a simple 1/2 jew officer pulled up from the reg. military to become a all powerful dictator. He does deserve something for pulling that off. Very sly, smart, and intelligent person.

He knew what to do and how to do it and who to blame. A truly amazing man really.

He got to becoming what he did because of favourable circumstances. The Weimar republic was collapsing around 1930, and Hitler seemed to be the only alternative so his powerful speeches and promises to build the economy etc. meant he got to power.

As for him bringing Germany out of a depression, he did this by increasing the military and stuff, so by 1943 Germany would have pretty much had to go to war. (Not too sure about this though)

Im pretty sure the 6,000,000 people he gave jobs had something to do with getting him out of the depression.

He got to becoming what he did because of favourable circumstances. The Weimar republic was collapsing around 1930, and Hitler seemed to be the only alternative.....

True, but how was it that he as a "only alternative"? How he got THERE is what is amazing and at the same time disterbing.

Its a shame the American's do not learn this to improve their tunnel vision of evil Germany. Before Hitler became maddened, he made Germany a rich, powerful and respected nation, getting rid of unemployment, revitalising the treasury, and invented a system in which the unemployed built public services for the Government and people, instead of merely people who were specifically employed by the government.
Before his madness, Hitler was the best leader Germany had and is ever likely to have.

I think we need that system in our country at the moment. We also need STJ (Strength Through Joy).
What would have happened though if hitler had conquered the world, who would have taken over when he died, or was he truly that mad towards the end that he actually believed he wouldlive forever?

very true, and as a American i dont have that tunnel vision that u speak of. He was a very evil man, but non-the-less, things (great things) can still be learned from him and admired.

True, but how was it that he as a "only alternative"? How he got THERE is what is amazing and at the same time disterbing.

Because the centre partys had been involved in the republic and had failed, and the communists were out after the burning of the reichstag. But yeah, I'm not saying he was a cunning and intelligent person, but certainly other factors helped him.

Before his madness, Hitler was the best leader Germany had and is ever likely to have.

What about Bismarck?

"Because the centre partys had been involved in the republic and had failed, and the communists were out after the burning of the reichstag. But yeah, I'm not saying he was a cunning and intelligent person, but certainly other factors helped him".....

Half the reason all the great people in history are great is because they see opportunities and take them.

Fair point.

They come to me every once in awhile. lol

Dont forget he practically ran the newspapers, which were the peoples main source of information. Propaganda was extremely important in it and we all need to learn that the common people can easily be manipulated.

I agree, Hitler should be admired. He is a bad man, but great nonetheless.




Too bad he lost the war


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He was great with his speeches and he had talent too, he was also an artist. I'll give him that.

well u have a point. But im more surprised at how a simple 1/2 jew officer pulled up from the reg. military to become a all powerful dictator. He does deserve something for pulling that off. Very sly, smart, and intelligent person.


FOr all records to get strait, There is no substancial evidence that hitler ever had jewish blood in him. THere is no historical evidence to support that. THere was some question wether his mothers side grandmother was like 1/2 jew, but that is a speculation that holds no grounds.

yea I suppose genocide is also something that should be admired too?

I agree, Hitler should be admired. He is a bad man, but great nonetheless.




Too bad he lost the war


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<idiot>OMGWTFBBQ! how could u say dat racist!</idiot>;)

Hitler did have a gift for mass psychology and taking the advantage of the psychological weaknesses of his people. At a time when his people were feeling down on themselves, Hitler gave them someone to blame and the belief that they were some kind of "master race." I find him amazing simply because he managed to shut down the critical thinking skills of the people of his time. Clearly he had the skill of an uncommonly good cult leader.

Derenxn, thats very interesting...i though that he had some jew in him from his mothers side. Now i want to research that. Thanks alot..lol.

Blackmaleartist...no shit he was a evil man with screwed up ideas. We all have agreed upon that, and no one has said he was a lovely person. We are talking about reign of power. Stop trying to make people look like stupid racists or what ever your trying to do.

A phrase from one of the Harry Potter movies comes to mind:

"He did great things. Terrible, but great."

yea I suppose genocide is also something that should be admired too?

Im pretty sure idiots like you were covered in my first post. Were not talking about his ideas dick head.

^ well u have a point. But im more surprised at how a simple 1/2 jew officer pulled up from the reg. military to become a all powerful dictator. He does deserve something for pulling that off. Very sly, smart, and intelligent person.

actualy he was a quarter jewish, his grand mother was jewish

I was merely asking a question and calling me dickhead for asking so? Fuck you first of all one reason I can't stand anti social pricks like yourself but anyways. I really don't have a problem with hitler if anyone should its Jewish people. I just find it funny that he was part jewish and wiping out his own race so if he succeeded would he in turn have to kill himself?

I dont think you even know what anti-social means. If you simply read the damn thread you would understand that we arent talking about the holocaust, I was calling you a dick head because you didnt read.

The only thing I admire about Hitler was his speaking. He made some great speeches. Excellent speaker. He was so good, he had all of Germany under his control. I read some of speeches translated into English, he was pretty good.

An im saying your anti social because generally its the anti social kids who try to be smart asses and say comments to people when the person says their 2 cents. I already know its not about the holocaust i was bringing it up dip shit. Its about peoples thoughts on his rise to power I have no thoughts on it since I do not care, plus I think napolean had the biggest rise to power of all time and deserves props for that. So before you get pissy with me have a nice tall glass of shut the fuck up

i kina agree but only because he was very determined

An im saying your anti social because generally its the anti social kids who try to be smart asses and say comments to people when the person says their 2 cents. I already know its not about the holocaust i was bringing it up dip shit. Its about peoples thoughts on his rise to power I have no thoughts on it since I do not care, plus I think napolean had the biggest rise to power of all time and deserves props for that. So before you get pissy with me have a nice tall glass of shut the fuck up


Actually, it's usually the people who ACT like they are intelligent by hurling insults at someone trying to make a point that are the anti-social ones. He covered the holocaust in his first post, thus the only reason you brought it up was to make an ass of yourself. if you have nothing to add to the conversation, maybe you should take a hefty swig from that glass yourself.

As to hitler:

I think he was a phenominal public speaker, and understand how to control millions of people into a group that was capable of killing six days a week, and not even batting an eye against it. if anything, we should take his rise to power as a warning, one to be careful who we allow into power, regardless of what they promise, and even if we know they can deliver those promises, without looking at the man/women carefully and seeing if we really want EVERYTHING that they can offer.

Our school speech class does something every semester called the world leaders hall of fame, where people give a speech about someone who they think influenced the world the most. Every year that someone does hitler, they always win the contest because he was, without a doubt, one of the most influencial men in history.

Or better yet dont worry about what I do like I said I know the topic isnt of the holocaust I just felt like mentioning it because people say they don't respect him just his speaking ability. Actually though an anti social person is someone who has damn near 1500 post in less than 6 months. Instead of saying shit to me I think you should go outside and get some fresh air.

Blackmaleartist, your opinion is not wanted. So try not to ruin the discussion with your posting.

Do I really care if its not wanted? You think the opinions on most these threads are wanted no but people do it anyways so i will continue to do so. So suck a dick cause im posting again.

Then post opinions relative to what we are discussing, if you cant then leave.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_325b.html

Back to what i said, no significant evidence he was 1/4 jewish.

As I did his rise to power while impressive has been done before. I think napolean's rise was greater than hitler's and napolean wouldv'e held on to it if not for having piss poor luck towards the end of his reign. Hitler could speak an had success at brainwashing a poverty stricken country but his reign was over when the usa got involved. Plus he had self hatred which is hilarious

Napolean and hitler suffered the same problem, they tried invading russia. If they hadn't done that, both histories would have been signifigantly different

all great leaders are like hitler brilliantly genius but that eventually turns to madness and the belief in ones self that they are eternally correct in all they say and do

I just think whenever someone tries to conquer the world they are going to fail. The worlds too big to conquer simple as that. As bad as you are you can always lose. Like Alexander the great could have come close,Napolean was inspired by him and could have took over europe but failed,lastly hitler might have taken over Europe also but failed.

Napolean and hitler suffered the same problem, they tried invading russia. If they hadn't done that, both histories would have been signifigantly different

The country is simply to big and its weather to harsh.

no russia is just a kickass country! when ur alphabet has upsidedown A's and stuff u know u cant fight wit people like that! i love russia!!!

Thread closed. This is a stupid fucking topic.

Hitler the philanthropist, loved by all! Great taste in wines too! Did you know he loved dogs?

Oh, that whole genocide thing, well come on HE WAS A SMART GUY LETS GIVE HIM CREDIT WHERE DUE AM I RITE?!

I think Hitler built the autobahns too. Our interstate highways are based off of the autobahns. What would we have done without that idea???

Hitler should not be admired. He killed 6 million jews. My great grandparents died at his hands. Hitler was a foul man who wanted to rid the world of "unworthy" people. why the fuck was this thread posted? it has no point or truth to it.

Hitler had the right idea, he was just an underachiever.

Morally wrong? I'll tell you what's morally wrong; descrimination and racism.

If Hitler had succeeded in his attempt to whipe out every race and religion but one, there would be neither of those. He was SO wrong with wanting the world to be more peaceful and loving. You guys are mean.

But what he did for germany in the beggining, as said at the start of this thread was pretty amazing.

He knew what to do and how to do it and who to blame. A truly amazing man really.

How can you admire someone who was a fascist, racist, power- hungry dictator who was brutal and a disgrace to man kind, without supporting his beliefs?

Easily?
You could admire a lot of things about Hitler, but you don't have to be a racist to do so.
Idiot.

Hitler was easily the greatest man to ever live. Besides, there is no proof to where as Hitler is responsible for the all that non-important Aushwitz bullshit, that was probably Himmler's fault.
The glory of the Reich!

Sieg Heil!

How can you admire someone who was a fascist, racist, power- hungry dictator who was brutal and a disgrace to man kind, without supporting his beliefs?


I disagree hitler had some good ideas and i thought his views on ridding the world of all different people and having one race was good cos all wars r started by religion or racism, and i am certainly not racist, i think that this person is shallow minding asshole who needs to study things b4 commenting :)

Wouldnt you agree?
If a man can pull a country out of a depression (Of Course not without the help of Streismann) and lead it to become a superpower in just 8 years then he has to be admired (Not to be confused with believing in his ideas).

Only people with valid points please, No "OMG BUT HE LIEK KILLED MILLIONS OF JEWS!!!111!"

yes he was horrible but he was really brilliant!!!! he was nobody with no army and he buil an army from scratch and started to take over Euro and if the Us hadnt stepped in he would have, adn no 1 saw it coming till it was too late

Hitler was, indeed, extremely intelligent. However, his hatred got in the way.

it is a true shame the good he did for germany will never be remembered only the bad ever is

it is a true shame the good he did for germany will never be remembered only the bad ever is

It's kind of like Stalin. But that is the price you pay for being a tyrant.

it is a true shame the good he did for germany will never be remembered only the bad ever is
That is true.

Barbarossa was his biggest mistake, Hitler and Stalin hated eachother from the start.. but together they could've achieved anything. Though Stalin wasn't too intrested in expanding his borders.

Heil Hitler!

Holy crap I thought some mod had this thread closed....eh I don't care honesly there was no point in closing it anyway. Even if their are some psycho nazi groupies out there.... :eek2:

Wow.
I really don't know what to say.
If he was so fucking brillant he should have known that exterminating was and still is INEXCUSABLY wrong.
And he would have known the price he would have had to pay if he lost.
Being brilliant does not automaticaly make you a great person.
Who cares if he helped fucking Germany out of depression.
The loss war launched them right back in it.
Oh and wow I like the way he brainwashed his country and them against their own people.
That was REALLY brilliant.
He truly was a great.
Fuck Nazis
(sorry for the foul language)

You are basing this on Spielburg movies, be gone with ye.
Plus, you don't know Hitler was behind the Hollacoust.

He did bring Germans together, and provided a strong sense of nationalism and patriotism. And then the holocaust...

Wouldnt you agree?
If a man can pull a country out of a depression (Of Course not without the help of Streismann) and lead it to become a superpower in just 8 years then he has to be admired (Not to be confused with believing in his ideas).

Only people with valid points please, No "OMG BUT HE LIEK KILLED MILLIONS OF JEWS!!!111!"

Yes he is definetly one of the greatest leaders and greatest vocalists to ever make face in history. I find only few better (Hannibal, Alexander the Great being the best)

he was a crap artist though.

hi well i think it's great that he did do good for germany .. but all he did was to kik out pepole from the old govermant (the republicans...) and bring there job to other pepole....
and i don't think he was so great..
in Barbarosa fight in Rusia he fiered his best army general and made lots of worng actions that lead in to the lose in the fight... so his not so smart....
and i don't get it he said that he belive in Clean Germany, with Irish pepole and blond and strong.. and he was looked like a mouse!!! he was so ugly.. so how everyone belived what he said...

He never achieved a miracle, as such. Fake money (Mefo bills), conning workers (Volkswagen), fiddling statistics (Women didn't count on employment registers), and introducing many different schemes to keep people off unemployment registers (not just RAD [reicharbeitsdienst] - he made a spell in the army mandatory for anyone leaving school)

Also, his policies were all aimed at war preparation. Let's not be silly and say 'Autobahn', that was jsut an easily accessible military road, really. Helping out farmers? Autarky. Autarky? Economic self-sufficiency. War preparation? Sure.

I could never admire a man who murdered millions of innocent people, and used their infants as target practice. He made a huge impact on the world and his country- not to mention others, but it wasn't a good one. I have a very intense hatred for that man. It's not an issue of racism, but inhumane cruelty and fear of something different. No reign of power should be admired unless the outcome of it was good. Go to a concentration camp and see how it is.

he was an amazing guy in his own right. but its not true that hitler was pulling his country out of a depression. germany was already becoming stronger from things like the dawes plan and germany still had most of continental europes factories in the rhineland. hitlers party, the national socialists, were actually losing seats in their congress in 1933 b/c people were doing better and looking for less extreme political parties. then of course, Hitler made his coup and the rest is history.

i've never heard of hitler being half jew.

i also think that hitler wasn't exploiting his people's misery. i honestly think he believed in all of his ideas from the jew bashing to the euthanasia to germans being the master race. his generals that are still alive tell us how crazy he was. but then again, the history channel pays them to be on there documentaries. and the history channel would have you believe that america won ww2 even though russia probably would have won it without the allies aid. you decide whether its bias or not.

Wouldnt you agree?
If a man can pull a country out of a depression (Of Course not without the help of Streismann) and lead it to become a superpower in just 8 years then he has to be admired (Not to be confused with believing in his ideas).
Yeah, and to top it all off, didn't he have Parkinsins Disease too? I saw that on a show about him on DiscoveryHealth - if you look at videos of him you notice signs of the disease...it's quite interesting.

And besides some things about him, he was pretty amazing - like you said, everything he did in so little time. (People who aren't close-minded will see that.) There's a list of the worlds top leaders and I'm pretty sure he's in the top 5 (along with Alexander the Great, Napoleon, Gengis Khan, etc).

And this is kind of off topic but I just feel like saying it. Don't you hate people who assume that all Germans are Jewish-hating, Hitler-loving, Nazis? That just gets me really angry becasue I'm part German and it seems like whenever people find out they just say "Get away from me you Nazi!!" I just think that people like that are idiots.

This is kinda off topic but anyways You know what really interests me about wwII history? Nazi medicine. Seriously I think I've said it in some other thread but its just interesting to read about like the nazi scientests and doctors did some fucked up shit to people like really weird experiments and they would remove the male and female genitalia from their right place and switch them. They'd sew it back on and then guess what they'd be all "ok now that you have no penis anymore I shall shoot you in the head now." :rolleyes: Does anyone else know anything else interesting about Nazi medicine?? Like things they did that not many people know about? I heard that no one really has no Idea of what they all did to people some of it, has completely been kept secret.

Actually, didnt the Nazi medical department lead to some big breakthroughs in modern medicine? Cant remember for sure exactly.

None the less, they did do some fucked up shit then.

Research with no ethical constraints does wonders when you are looking for a breakthrough.

he definatley had his prioritys straight, for example. Pay $6 a week and own your own car! then after the payment period was up, he kept the money and never gave the poor workers their volswagens...

he definatley had his prioritys straight, for example. Pay $6 a week and own your own car! then after the payment period was up, he kept the money and never gave the poor workers their volswagens...

First off, it isn't $, it's RM. Second, it's 5. Third, they went to war before the 'payment' period was up. Only six show cars were made, and the money wasn't kept but spent as soon as it was received on rearming the nation.

Germany could of won the war with Ukrain, they had half a million people there and Hitler could've given them weapons, but no. Killed them all! The Ukrains HATED the Russians.

Wouldnt you agree?
If a man can pull a country out of a depression (Of Course not without the help of Streismann) and lead it to become a superpower in just 8 years then he has to be admired (Not to be confused with believing in his ideas).

Only people with valid points please, No "OMG BUT HE LIEK KILLED MILLIONS OF JEWS!!!111!"

:iagree: totally, he was a genius! a corrupted one, but a genius nonetheless! he was of course morally wrong with the whole "Adrienn Race/Holocaust" thing...but still he was just...so brilliant!

Hitler should be admired for being an effective leader. He did reunite a country and rebuild it's economy but when he started killing "undesireables" he was a jackass and should burn in hell.

Wouldnt you agree?
If a man can pull a country out of a depression (Of Course not without the help of Streismann) and lead it to become a superpower in just 8 years then he has to be admired (Not to be confused with believing in his ideas).

Only people with valid points please, No "OMG BUT HE LIEK KILLED MILLIONS OF JEWS!!!111!"
first of all i'd like to apologize for not having read the whole thread. so it might be possible that i could mention points that have been already said.

but:

hitler did not pull germany out of a depression. i mean, he did not really pull it out of it. he just did what every socialist did: giving governmental orders to generate the illusion of a growing economy. and, of course, this illusion was only fed by the weapon industry. so, all in all, there was no real cyclical upturn. and, a fact that is often forgotten, germany's depts increased because the war was planned from the beginning of his chancellorship. he didn't care about paying the debts until the war was won and germany had achieved the money and gold of its victims. so the war has been an essential part of his policy and cannot be separated from it.

secondly, he did not lead germany into becoming a superpower. germany has been a superpower since it was united by bismarck in 1870/71. even after it had lost the first world war it still was some kind of continental hegemon. it was bigger than france although it lost 13% of it's territory. the truth is hitler lead germany into losing its status as a superpower within 12 years. the truth is hitler completely destructed germany within 12 years. hitler was responsible for germany being divided and for one part of it being led into another fascist dictatorship (the german 'democratic' republic). he was responsible for millions of dead people in the name of a german reich that did never exist. he did not lead it to become superpower. he lead it to become a cue ball of the cold war.

and so hitler has not to be admired: economically a retarded socialist, politically some kind of mixture between an opportunist and a jerked-off copy of stalin and a failure in military things.

Hitler should be admired for being an effective leader. He did reunite a country and rebuild it's economy but when he started killing "undesireables" he was a jackass and should burn in hell.

So he should have been killed in 1933 before he 'reunited the country and rebuilt its economy'?

He was doing it from the very beginning - you know how many women died after being sterilised agaisnt their will?

besides, he did not reunite germany. he annexed bordering regions. some of them were lost due to the war, some of them have never belonged to a united germany.

admired?! uv got 2 be joking me! omg but he lyk killed millions of jews! no way shuld he be amired... go rot in hell

Adrienn Race/Holocaust" thing...but still he was just...so brilliant!


Aryan race.



No whats funny, The Leuchter Reports clearly found that the compound "zyklon-b" could not be found in any of the gas chambers. zlyklon-b is the compound chemical that utilized hydrochloric acid which was used to gas the jews. Not a trace of it was found in the gas chambers, though.

You are an idiot with a fifth-rate education (or, an American education – although sadly it was apparently a Brit who started this idiotic thread!) if you admire Hitler – for anything.

Okay. Let’s see. What have people mentioned that apparently makes Hitler worthy of admiration? It started with this…

If a man can pull a country out of a depression (Of Course not without the help of Streismann) and lead it to become a superpower in just 8 years then he has to be admired (Not to be confused with believing in his ideas).

The Depression. May I point out that all countries recovered from the Depression? Perhaps not so spectacularly, but ‘pulling a country out of a depression’ is hardly amazing.

Next. How did the Nazis overcome the Depression? Somebody above has written that they used 'retarded socialist' economic policies, which is basically correct. Nazi methods were impressive for the time, true, but for God’s sake – do you think Hitler came up with them?

Do you think Hitler sat behind a desk and planned the recovery of the German economy? For God’s sake. Economic policy resulted from a number of forces – namely, in this period, the Economic Minister Schacht, who was not even a Nazi. Hitler did not care about domestic policy in the slightest, and like most Nazis he knew nothing of economics. He was not responsible for the German recovery from the Depression. Later, Hitler forced economic policies (i.e. rearmament and autarky) that damaged the economy and arguably forced the country into a war. Also, it is worth pointing out that the Nazis banned women and Jews from many lines of work and did not count them as ‘unemployed’ – but loquaciousdipso has already pointed out the flaws in the German ‘economic miracle’, in a post above.

Now, the creation of a superpower. I assume that by ‘superpower,’ what is meant is 'powerful military force'. Germany was not, after all, an economically stable country in 1939. But yes, she did have one hell of a lot of guns. This had been achieved by a lightning fast rearmament program – and by the consequent suffering of the German people. The Nazis made guns and planes, and the living standards of German people actually declined under Nazi rule. The Nazis crushed the workers, manipulated, lied to and brainwashed them, and they implemented a ‘guns, not butter’ policy. Any country could rearm just as fast, if the people were so abused. Is this to be ‘admired’? Further, exactly how responsible do you think Hitler was for the growth of his army?

Again – he knew nothing about economics. Hitler ranted at the people around him and demanded a gigantic army – then it was up to other people to make it happen! Any demagogue can demand things.

What else? Oh yes, some people have mentioned that he was a great ‘public speaker’ etc. Excellent. Did you learn that at school? Was it in your textbooks? Look, answer a question for me.

Imagine this. You have never heard of Hitler and you know nothing about him whatsoever. Then somebody has you watch a videotape of Hitler giving a speech, say, at the Nuremberg rallies. Would you have thought – “Jesus Christ, this guy gives one hell of a speech!!!”

Or, would you have been a rational individual and thought to yourself – “Damn, who is this fool, screaming and spitting like a lunatic, raving about race and the Jews?”

It is true that Hitler could inspire crowds. People did like watching his speeches. But there are many people who can give impressive speeches, and they don’t have to resort to hysterical shrieking and disgusting inflammatory content to achieve this. Further, Hitler was a rather nervous public speaker. His podium-pounding, shouting and saluting was a way of covering this up. If you watch the right videotapes, you can see him shaking, and fussing with his hair, hands and clothes like a right idiot.

Some people have claimed it is impressive that Hitler came from nowhere to such power. A lot of people have done this throughout history. Maybe you think he was smart, or a skilled opportunist, or tactician, or propagandist. Maybe you admire his courage or creativity, or whatever. This is bullshit.

Admire the quality, not the man. Do not admire Hitler. Kudos to the people in this thread who have pointed out the horrific things Hitler did, despite what people wrote in the first few posts.

You cannot separate Hitler from the Holocaust. You cannot separate Hitler from fascism, nationalism, racism, oppression, war, tragedy and death. You are an idiot to try it. Hitler represents all of those things. He is our symbol for evil. Trying to point out some admirable things he did does not make you appear different or clever – you look like a pathetic teenager who does not understand what Hitler was and continues to be. You attribute events and accomplishments to the man that have nothing to do with him.

Again, admire the quality, not the man. Hitler was nothing special. He is to be criticised for all the suffering he caused.

If there are any other reasons why Hitler might be admired... I am willing to discuss this with anyone who wants to, because I think it is important.

A thread dedicated to the misunderstood man who invented s'mores and Jenga.

Wouldnt you agree?
If a man can pull a country out of a depression (Of Course not without the help of Streismann) and lead it to become a superpower in just 8 years then he has to be admired (Not to be confused with believing in his ideas).

Only people with valid points please, No "OMG BUT HE LIEK KILLED MILLIONS OF JEWS!!!111!"

very good.

You are an idiot with a fifth-rate education (or, an American education – although sadly it was apparently a Brit who started this idiotic thread!) if you admire Hitler – for anything.

Okay. Let’s see. What have people mentioned that apparently makes Hitler worthy of admiration? It started with this…

The Depression. May I point out that all countries recovered from the Depression? Perhaps not so spectacularly, but ‘pulling a country out of a depression’ is hardly amazing.

Pulling a country out of depression isnt amazing? Your a moron.
Due to the laws passed through the treaty of versailles Germany could not have recovered economically for many MANY years after every country had recovered. Hitler rallied the people into backing him and boycotting or finding loopholes in ideas.
Of course you would know this since Xamira only has a fifth-rate education.

Next. How did the Nazis overcome the Depression? Somebody above has written that they used 'retarded socialist' economic policies, which is basically correct. Nazi methods were impressive for the time, true, but for God’s sake – do you think Hitler came up with them?

Do you think Hitler sat behind a desk and planned the recovery of the German economy? For God’s sake. Economic policy resulted from a number of forces – namely, in this period, the Economic Minister Schacht, who was not even a Nazi. Hitler did not care about domestic policy in the slightest, and like most Nazis he knew nothing of economics. He was not responsible for the German recovery from the Depression. Later, Hitler forced economic policies (i.e. rearmament and autarky) that damaged the economy and arguably forced the country into a war. Also, it is worth pointing out that the Nazis banned women and Jews from many lines of work and did not count them as ‘unemployed’ – but loquaciousdipso has already pointed out the flaws in the German ‘economic miracle’, in a post above.

I love it when retards such as yourself pick at everything someone says, if hitler had not been in power and due to his forcefulness and character etc these economic policies may not have come about.

Now, the creation of a superpower. I assume that by ‘superpower,’ what is meant is 'powerful military force'. Germany was not, after all, an economically stable country in 1939. But yes, she did have one hell of a lot of guns. This had been achieved by a lightning fast rearmament program – and by the consequent suffering of the German people. The Nazis made guns and planes, and the living standards of German people actually declined under Nazi rule. The Nazis crushed the workers, manipulated, lied to and brainwashed them, and they implemented a ‘guns, not butter’ policy. Any country could rearm just as fast, if the people were so abused. Is this to be ‘admired’? Further, exactly how responsible do you think Hitler was for the growth of his army?

Again – he knew nothing about economics. Hitler ranted at the people around him and demanded a gigantic army – then it was up to other people to make it happen! Any demagogue can demand things.
Well done boy, however once again I have to remind you of the treaty of versailles which mentioned certain restrictions to german military.
SO NO THEY WERENT A SUPERPOWER DICKHEAD.
If hitler hadnt broken the treaty they wouldnt have had the military they desired, so hitler was a main factor in the re-armorment of Germany.

What else? Oh yes, some people have mentioned that he was a great ‘public speaker’ etc. Excellent. Did you learn that at school? Was it in your textbooks? Look, answer a question for me.

Imagine this. You have never heard of Hitler and you know nothing about him whatsoever. Then somebody has you watch a videotape of Hitler giving a speech, say, at the Nuremberg rallies. Would you have thought – “Jesus Christ, this guy gives one hell of a speech!!!”

Or, would you have been a rational individual and thought to yourself – “Damn, who is this fool, screaming and spitting like a lunatic, raving about race and the Jews?”

It is true that Hitler could inspire crowds. People did like watching his speeches. But there are many people who can give impressive speeches, and they don’t have to resort to hysterical shrieking and disgusting inflammatory content to achieve this. Further, Hitler was a rather nervous public speaker. His podium-pounding, shouting and saluting was a way of covering this up. If you watch the right videotapes, you can see him shaking, and fussing with his hair, hands and clothes like a right idiot.

Some people have claimed it is impressive that Hitler came from nowhere to such power. A lot of people have done this throughout history. Maybe you think he was smart, or a skilled opportunist, or tactician, or propagandist. Maybe you admire his courage or creativity, or whatever. This is bullshit.

Admire the quality, not the man. Do not admire Hitler. Kudos to the people in this thread who have pointed out the horrific things Hitler did, despite what people wrote in the first few posts.

You cannot separate Hitler from the Holocaust. You cannot separate Hitler from fascism, nationalism, racism, oppression, war, tragedy and death. You are an idiot to try it. Hitler represents all of those things. He is our symbol for evil. Trying to point out some admirable things he did does not make you appear different or clever – you look like a pathetic teenager who does not understand what Hitler was and continues to be. You attribute events and accomplishments to the man that have nothing to do with him.

Again, admire the quality, not the man. Hitler was nothing special. He is to be criticised for all the suffering he caused.

If there are any other reasons why Hitler might be admired... I am willing to discuss this with anyone who wants to, because I think it is important.


Eventually I couldnt be bothered and considered you a fool for not actually reading the entire thread and stopping and thinking about what was said before typing this bollocks up that you call an arguement.
Also it doesnt matter anyway because your a noob and you probably havent been on Teenspot since.

If anyone saw Der Untergang you could see Hitler being portrayed as a fairly nice man. Now, I haven't seen it but from what my sister has told me, it was a good movie.

Wouldnt you agree?
If a man can pull a country out of a depression (Of Course not without the help of Streismann) and lead it to become a superpower in just 8 years then he has to be admired (Not to be confused with believing in his ideas).

Only people with valid points please, No "OMG BUT HE LIEK KILLED MILLIONS OF JEWS!!!111!"


I totally agree with you there, he was a highly intelligent man, he just used his intelligence for all the wrong things.

Actually, didnt the Nazi medical department lead to some big breakthroughs in modern medicine?

Actually, you are correct. I too am quite interested in the subject of German medical experiments and have an entire book about it. It's called "The Nazi Doctors," by Robert Jay Lifton. You should really pick it up, if you're interested.

Yes, they did lead to many medical breakthroughs.

But their methods were unorthodox, and wrong.

The film 'Max' shows how Hitler was told to become an anti-semite by the German Army after WWI, but then became engrossed in it the more he talked about it. He was just a crazy man, who had HUGE ambitions, and terrible ways of going about it.

admired?! uv got 2 be joking me! omg but he lyk killed millions of jews! no way shuld he be amired... go rot in hell
I think you should rot in hell for your grammer.

You are an idiot with a fifth-rate education (or, an American education – although sadly it was apparently a Brit who started this idiotic thread!) if you admire Hitler – for anything.
important.
This is a message to all people from the UK: Your nations are shit aswell, Tony Blair is no better than Bush, infact he's worse; he's his little bitch. I hate both Blair and Bush but seriously you need to grow up from attacking somebody by including things like "You are an idiot with a fifth-rate education (or, an American education". Personally I think Hitler is a genius, but is still a horrible human being.

Wouldnt you agree?
If a man can pull a country out of a depression (Of Course not without the help of Streismann) and lead it to become a superpower in just 8 years then he has to be admired (Not to be confused with believing in his ideas).

Only people with valid points please, No "OMG BUT HE LIKE KILLED MILLIONS OF JEWS!!!111!"

HITLER HIMSELF SHOULD NOT BE ADMIRED, BUT SOME
OF HIS TACTICS. IF ONLY THAT INTELLIGENCE AND INGENUITY WAS USED IN A WAY THE DIDN'T RESULT IN THE MASS MURDERS/GENOCIDE OF MANY JEWS, GYPSIES, SLAVS, HOMOSEXUALS, THE HANDICAPPED, ETC.

Quiet frankly i'm happy he killed gypsies.

Originally Posted By Chrissy_C

You are an idiot with a fifth-rate education (or, an American education – although sadly it was apparently a Brit who started this idiotic thread!) if you admire Hitler – for anything.

Okay. Let’s see. What have people mentioned that apparently makes Hitler worthy of admiration? It started with this…

The Depression. May I point out that all countries recovered from the Depression? Perhaps not so spectacularly, but ‘pulling a country out of a depression’ is hardly amazing.

Pulling a country out of depression isnt amazing? Your a moron.
Due to the laws passed through the treaty of versailles Germany could not have recovered economically for many MANY years after every country had recovered. Hitler rallied the people into backing him and boycotting or finding loopholes in ideas.
Of course you would know this since Xamira only has a fifth-rate education.

Next. How did the Nazis overcome the Depression? Somebody above has written that they used 'retarded socialist' economic policies, which is basically correct. Nazi methods were impressive for the time, true, but for God’s sake – do you think Hitler came up with them?

Do you think Hitler sat behind a desk and planned the recovery of the German economy? For God’s sake. Economic policy resulted from a number of forces – namely, in this period, the Economic Minister Schacht, who was not even a Nazi. Hitler did not care about domestic policy in the slightest, and like most Nazis he knew nothing of economics. He was not responsible for the German recovery from the Depression. Later, Hitler forced economic policies (i.e. rearmament and autarky) that damaged the economy and arguably forced the country into a war. Also, it is worth pointing out that the Nazis banned women and Jews from many lines of work and did not count them as ‘unemployed’ – but loquaciousdipso has already pointed out the flaws in the German ‘economic miracle’, in a post above.

I love it when retards such as yourself pick at everything someone says, if hitler had not been in power and due to his forcefulness and character etc these economic policies may not have come about.

Now, the creation of a superpower. I assume that by ‘superpower,’ what is meant is 'powerful military force'. Germany was not, after all, an economically stable country in 1939. But yes, she did have one hell of a lot of guns. This had been achieved by a lightning fast rearmament program – and by the consequent suffering of the German people. The Nazis made guns and planes, and the living standards of German people actually declined under Nazi rule. The Nazis crushed the workers, manipulated, lied to and brainwashed them, and they implemented a ‘guns, not butter’ policy. Any country could rearm just as fast, if the people were so abused. Is this to be ‘admired’? Further, exactly how responsible do you think Hitler was for the growth of his army?

Again – he knew nothing about economics. Hitler ranted at the people around him and demanded a gigantic army – then it was up to other people to make it happen! Any demagogue can demand things.
Well done boy, however once again I have to remind you of the treaty of versailles which mentioned certain restrictions to german military.
SO NO THEY WERENT A SUPERPOWER DICKHEAD.
If hitler hadnt broken the treaty they wouldnt have had the military they desired, so hitler was a main factor in the re-armorment of Germany.

What else? Oh yes, some people have mentioned that he was a great ‘public speaker’ etc. Excellent. Did you learn that at school? Was it in your textbooks? Look, answer a question for me.

Imagine this. You have never heard of Hitler and you know nothing about him whatsoever. Then somebody has you watch a videotape of Hitler giving a speech, say, at the Nuremberg rallies. Would you have thought – “Jesus Christ, this guy gives one hell of a speech!!!”

Or, would you have been a rational individual and thought to yourself – “Damn, who is this fool, screaming and spitting like a lunatic, raving about race and the Jews?”

It is true that Hitler could inspire crowds. People did like watching his speeches. But there are many people who can give impressive speeches, and they don’t have to resort to hysterical shrieking and disgusting inflammatory content to achieve this. Further, Hitler was a rather nervous public speaker. His podium-pounding, shouting and saluting was a way of covering this up. If you watch the right videotapes, you can see him shaking, and fussing with his hair, hands and clothes like a right idiot.

Some people have claimed it is impressive that Hitler came from nowhere to such power. A lot of people have done this throughout history. Maybe you think he was smart, or a skilled opportunist, or tactician, or propagandist. Maybe you admire his courage or creativity, or whatever. This is bullshit.

Admire the quality, not the man. Do not admire Hitler. Kudos to the people in this thread who have pointed out the horrific things Hitler did, despite what people wrote in the first few posts.

You cannot separate Hitler from the Holocaust. You cannot separate Hitler from fascism, nationalism, racism, oppression, war, tragedy and death. You are an idiot to try it. Hitler represents all of those things. He is our symbol for evil. Trying to point out some admirable things he did does not make you appear different or clever – you look like a pathetic teenager who does not understand what Hitler was and continues to be. You attribute events and accomplishments to the man that have nothing to do with him.

Again, admire the quality, not the man. Hitler was nothing special. He is to be criticised for all the suffering he caused.

If there are any other reasons why Hitler might be admired... I am willing to discuss this with anyone who wants to, because I think it is important.


I have a few problems with your post

and the living standards of German people actually declined under Nazi rule

possibly becuase of Continued allied bombing, trade embargoes implied by every other country, and a war? Hitler crushed a dramatically high unemployment rate - Or at least his staff did. Of course Hitler himself never did much, It's always their staff who do the working. By your logic a lot of great leaders would not be so great.



Imagine this. You have never heard of Hitler and you know nothing about him whatsoever. Then somebody has you watch a videotape of Hitler giving a speech, say, at the Nuremberg rallies. Would you have thought – “Jesus Christ, this guy gives one hell of a speech!!!”

Or, would you have been a rational individual and thought to yourself – “Damn, who is this fool, screaming and spitting like a lunatic, raving about race and the Jews?”

Hitler's speeches completely swept a nation off it's feet. He had some good points. Have you ever read some his more articulated speeches?

Some people have claimed it is impressive that Hitler came from nowhere to such power. A lot of people have done this throughout history. Maybe you think he was smart, or a skilled opportunist, or tactician, or propagandist. Maybe you admire his courage or creativity, or whatever. This is bullshit.

So you don't find it impressive that a noone in life, turns themselved into the most powerful man in their nation, rallying a nation in almost a brain washed state? Honestly miss perfect, What is impressive to you? Oh, typing behind a computer acting all educated.

You cannot separate Hitler from the Holocaust. You cannot separate Hitler from fascism, nationalism, racism, oppression, war, tragedy and death. You are an idiot to try it. Hitler represents all of those things. He is our symbol for evil. Trying to point out some admirable things he did does not make you appear different or clever – you look like a pathetic teenager who does not understand what Hitler was and continues to be. You attribute events and accomplishments to the man that have nothing to do with him.

Whats wrong with nationalism? I hate it how everyone seems to attack hitler for what he did in this time period yet they forget everyone else. Stalin Killed 20 million people, and was exiling and a LOT more territories than the Reich was. What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Or how about The firebombing of dresden?Wether you want to believe it or not, There would of been atrocities at the american concentration camps if persay we were losing the war. A lot of the atrocities were the result of germanies supply lines being cut off. They had no food coming into the country, so a lot of people in the camps probably died because of starvation. I'm not trying to excuse his acitons by any means.
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How about how every country around germany refused to take in jewish refugees before the holocaust. How about the american politicians and buisnesses that were funding the nazi party?

If anyone saw Der Untergang you could see Hitler being portrayed as a fairly nice man. Now, I haven't seen it but from what my sister has told me, it was a good movie.

Hitler is portrayed as a deranged madman in that movie, especially when he continues to order Steiner's unit to fight the Soviets; even after its been established for half the movie that Steiner's unit has been scattered.

Hitler stole alot of ideas and took credit for them.. bruning, moussalini etc

good artist thou : o )

Hitler stole alot of ideas and took credit for them.. bruning, moussalini etc

Hitler didn't steal ideas from Mussolini; Hitler was a National Socialist and Mussolini was a fascist.

A fascist is far right wing and national socialist is totally off the political scale. If you look at the term "National Socialist" it means that your a socialist towards your own people and you care not for other nations.

I find the best thing to compare National Socialism to is Stalinism; the main difference is that Stalinism could be considered "International Socialism" white National Socialism is national.

yeah u do have a definate point but i just dont see how ne1 can hate 1/2 of who they r

yeah u do have a definate point but i just dont see how ne1 can hate 1/2 of who they r

There are no such things as "Half Jews" your Jewish if your mother is Jewish and the who has been "accused" of being Jewish is his father Alois Schicklgruber; if his father was Jewish that would not make him Jewish as Jewishness is passed on maternally.

If you want to look for Jewish Nazi's look no further than Erhard Milch or Reinhard Heydrich; Milch is Jewish and Reinhard Heydrich is suspected of having Jewish parents, Heydrich went as far as taking anyone to court who even suggested he was Jewish.

Hitler was very intelligent... his megalomania just interuppted with that. He is one of my most favorite politicians.

Hitler was very intelligent... his megalomania just interuppted with that. He is one of my most favorite politicians.

He wasn't that intelligent; if anyones closest advisors were people with genius IQ's like Hjalmar Schacht and Dr. Joseph Goebbels they would come off as intelligent.

I was merely asking a question and calling me dickhead for asking so? Fuck you first of all one reason I can't stand anti social pricks like yourself but anyways. I really don't have a problem with hitler if anyone should its Jewish people. I just find it funny that he was part jewish and wiping out his own race so if he succeeded would he in turn have to kill himself?


You don't have a problem with Hitler and you're Black? He also had a problem with Blacks, gypsies, homosexuals, people with disabilities, etc. Basically, people that didn't fit into his blonde hair, blue-eyed "perfect race".

I will NEVER admire a man like Hitler. If he's morally wrong, why would you admire him?

Im pretty sure idiots like you were covered in my first post. Were not talking about his ideas dick head.

Ideas are half of things that make a man's character. And actions would be the other. How could you exclude his ideas? and even his actions, since you're also excluding the fact that he unleashed the great genocide.

So in the end, all you're talking about is him being a great leader, and a dictator. So what? there were so many other people like him in the world, except in his case, hitler was insane, that is how he differs from the rest.

You don't have a problem with Hitler and you're Black? He also had a problem with Blacks, gypsies, homosexuals, people with disabilities, etc. Basically, people that didn't fit into his blonde hair, blue-eyed "perfect race".

and everyone who does fit that description would be killed, if their lives were spared, they would be slaves bowing to the master race. How could people look over this and admire HIM.

A phrase from one of the Harry Potter movies comes to mind:

"He did great things. Terrible, but great."

Hrmm... Voldy does mirror Hitler eh?

the pepole who admire hitler should go to hell with him..... i think he never ever should be admired.. i know that in his years in controling germany he reasied the economic there and a lot of pepole had jobs but it just because hitler had fiered the jews from their places and for that the natzi took control and gave the german jobs that used 2 be jobs of jewish pepole
so is a person that makes good to germany but in other hand he killes a lot of inacent pepole should be admire??? i don't think so... i better be poor and not take ajob from someone that was murder just because he wasn't Arian!!!!

actually that's why his bitch ass commited suicide cuz he couldn't handle the damn world.

some people just don't get it...his intellect and ambition is what is to be admired...xamira wasn't endorsing the genocide, or the discrimination

I get called Hitler because my last name is close to it: Hiltl :nerd:

He was brilliant, there's no denying that.

the pepole who admire hitler should go to hell with him..... i think he never ever should be admired.. i know that in his years in controling germany he reasied the economic there and a lot of pepole had jobs but it just because hitler had fiered the jews from their places and for that the natzi took control and gave the german jobs that used 2 be jobs of jewish pepole
so is a person that makes good to germany but in other hand he killes a lot of inacent pepole should be admire??? i don't think so... i better be poor and not take ajob from someone that was murder just because he wasn't Arian!!!!

calm down everyone knows that he was a sick bastard. But he was also very smart, charasmatic(sp?), and munipilative.

calm down everyone knows that he was a sick bastard. But he was also very smart, charasmatic(sp?), and munipilative.


Okay, but how are you able to overlook the fact that he was a sick man? Yes, he was a good speaker, and he was able to persuade others quite well, but why would you admire him? So his ability to speak makes up the for his horrible beliefs and values? Of course not.

Hitler is still Hitler anyway you look at it, and he should not be admired in anyway.

Okay, but how are you able to overlook the fact that he was a sick man? Yes, he was a good speaker, and he was able to persuade others quite well, but why would you admire him? So his ability to speak makes up the for his horrible beliefs and values? Of course not.

Hitler is still Hitler anyway you look at it, and he should not be admired in anyway.


True, but i don't think that the poster's intent was to overlook his bad things. She was just aknowleding (sp) the fact that he was smart.

Don't bother. Some people are too stupid to understand the intent of this thread.

True, but i don't think that the poster's intent was to overlook his bad things. She was just aknowleding (sp) the fact that he was smart.

Jesus Christ Hitler was not smart. Joseph Goebbels, Hjarlmar Schacht, Hans Frank, Alfred Rosenberg, etc. were the brains behind Hitler. Hitler was just the frontman.

[QUOTE=summer22] i know that in his years in controling germany he reasied the economic there and a lot of pepole had jobs but it just because hitler had fiered the jews from their places and for that the natzi took control and gave the german jobs that used 2 be jobs of jewish pepole
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Actually the make work projects like the Reichsbahn made the economy strong again, not the taking of "Jewish" jobs.

the pepole who admire hitler should go to hell with him..... i think he never ever should be admired.. i know that in his years in controling germany he reasied the economic there and a lot of pepole had jobs but it just because hitler had fiered the jews from their places and for that the natzi took control and gave the german jobs that used 2 be jobs of jewish pepole
so is a person that makes good to germany but in other hand he killes a lot of inacent pepole should be admire??? i don't think so... i better be poor and not take ajob from someone that was murder just because he wasn't Arian!!!!


First of all, it's Aryan and Nazi. If you're going to try to "insult" someone/something, atleast get what it is right. Second of all, who said that he had to be admired for killing Jews, gays, gypsies, and the handicapped? Personally, I think what he did was awesome, my only complaint is that it didn't include every race. The world was/is overcrowded, humanity is disgusting and always has been, humanity needs to die, we don't deserve anything we have. He should have mixed in people of all nationalities.

you can say what you like about Hitler, he was good to his dogs.

Jesus Christ Hitler was not smart. Joseph Goebbels, Hjarlmar Schacht, Hans Frank, Alfred Rosenberg, etc. were the brains behind Hitler. Hitler was just the frontman.

While I do not believe Hitler to be a genius, he was no doubt intelligent. No, it wasn't just Goebbels, Frank, Rosenberg and crew, Hitler too had a big part. Of course he would have cronies helping, every politician does.

Hitler was intelligent enough to play the game early on.

Im surprised people are still posting here...