A couple new previews are out, where they show hints of Shelob the spider, the tower of the moon, and the battle of Pelennor Fields- what does everyone think? It looks fantastic, if you ask me.

I hope that they stick more closely to the storyline than they have in the past two movies. If they do, it should prove to be a rather excellent movie. If not, it will still be good, I just will have something else to complain about. The special effects are going to be amazing and seeing Aragorn reclaim Anduril, the sword of the king, will pretty kewl too. All in all, I can't wait.

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=trailer&id=1804738130&intl=us

Three minute trailer.

I'm going to see the movie.

I'm going to love the explanation of why they fvcking killed Haldir at a BATTLE HE WASN'T EVEN AT. That Elf could have taken almost all 10,000 orcs by himself, and random orc #792 hits him in the back with an axe.....bull shit.

Wah wah fucking wah.

If you don't like the movies, read the damn book instead of bitching about it, buttnuts.

Edit: That trailer made it look bitchin', and it didn't just hint at Shelob. Unless I completely missed any other huge spiders in the books... Plus there are more oliphaunts, which is just great with me.

I did read the books, that's why I can point out the discrepencies between the two. And I'm not bitching about it I just don't understand what ultiamte purpose Mr Jackson had by bringing in a character who could have single-handedly taken out almost half the Orcs at Hwlms Deep and killed him off easily.

I was saying that if you are that bothered about the movies being so shite compared to the books then you should stick to the books. There's a crew of anal retentive idiots who find the need to point out every single difference between the books and the movies. Go join them, annoying gobshites.

I don't give a flying fvck about differences in the movies so long as there is reasonable explanation for them, i.e too short on time, not very intregal to the overall plot, will help expand upon a character etc etc. I'm not one of those "gobshites" or whatever english babble you called me, simply because I don't understand the reason. I simply statted that I thought it was stupid that he made a character die at a battle he wasn't at (and if he was would have easily won) when it seems to serve no purpose. That would be like him having a 30 minute rapping sene with Gandalf freestyling it with Sauron on a bus headed for Jamaca which is now located on the moon. It serves no purpose in futhering the plot, or in developing any characters and just doesn't make sense.

Other than that I thought the movies were great, ass, and I am looking forward to the next one.

English babble must be really hard to understand, because I called the group that I said you should join gobshites. Say it with me... Gob (Like 'cob' with a 'g' sound at the beginning) shites (Like 'kites' with a 'sh' at the beginning)

And I apologise for my earlier outburst, it was uncalled for, and I'm not quite sure of the reason behind it. And I'm not greatly bothered if you call me mean names in reply. :)

i cant wait for this movie, i get shivers just watching the previews :)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PathRifter
I don't give a flying fvck about differences in the movies so long as there is reasonable explanation for them, i.e too short on time, not very intregal to the overall plot, will help expand upon a character etc etc.

reasonable explanation: the movie was created both for fans of the books and non-fans, even the illiterate. haldir's death was thrown in because, if you arent a tokien-maniac, it doesnt really make a difference, and it adds even that much more drama to a scene that could possibly use a bit more of a connection for those of us who hadnt nutted all over ourselves at the fighting.

you may not like it, but that doesnt invalidate it.

That would be like him having a 30 minute rapping sene with Gandalf freestyling it with Sauron on a bus headed for Jamaca which is now located on the moon.

that would actually be pretty cool...id like to see an animated spoof like that.

Guys, quit your bitching. Hamdril was stupid anyways. It be one thing if the made Gimli an elf. The movies stick very close to the books, however they leave some leeway in the plot and story here and there to make the audience wonder what's coming next, unlike the Harry Potter movies, that stick so close to the books they almost seem formulaic.
The don't just hint at Shelob, Shelob is definitley in the film. Remember when Gollum is talking about letting "her" kill the hobbits? There ya go. Shelob.
I wonder if they are gonna make Sauron return to physical form.In the book,SPOILER his eye simply evaporated and his spirit took the shape of clouds and disipated before everyones eyes SPOILER.
The effects look great, but of course they cannot carry the movie. But if the series goes as the other two have, this one should be the best.

I saw the trailer before Matrix Revolutions...Looks like tis going to be better than the other two for sure

I don't mind minor changes, but when you are taking a well established universe to a movie, you are nothing but a scribe. You are simply a person re-telling a story. Not making up your new one or adding in your own thoughts and ideas. I don't mind if they leave something out of the movie that was in the book (take Tom Bombadil for example), but altering the movie significantly for no known purpose....that is overstepping your bounds as a scribe.

I am still looking forward to the third movie though.

I can't wait can't wait can't wait for this. SHould be getting my Two Towers Extended Edition any day now.

Originally posted by grimey
I can't wait can't wait can't wait for this. SHould be getting my Two Towers Extended Edition any day now.
Any day now? IT doesn't come out till Tuesday. I preordered it and I don't explect it until ATLEAST the day of the release, if not a couple days after.

Originally posted by SCB
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PathRifter
I don't give a flying fvck about differences in the movies so long as there is reasonable explanation for them, i.e too short on time, not very intregal to the overall plot, will help expand upon a character etc etc.

reasonable explanation: the movie was created both for fans of the books and non-fans, even the illiterate. haldir's death was thrown in because, if you arent a tokien-maniac, it doesnt really make a difference, and it adds even that much more drama to a scene that could possibly use a bit more of a connection for those of us who hadnt nutted all over ourselves at the fighting.

you may not like it, but that doesnt invalidate it.

But wouldn't it be easier to set up another character for that?
I mean, have Aragorn and co. meet some specific soldier pre-battle, make friends, blah blah blah. Then he dies. Everybody gets sad.
You get the whole emotional connection thing without having to rape the storyline of a character who had no connection to that scene whatsoever. Just pop in a new character for that scene, someone of no consequence, and use that.

Seems like just as much effort and you don't have to worry about the bitching of us Tolkien fanboys.

Originally posted by PathRifter
I don't mind minor changes, but when you are taking a well established universe to a movie, you are nothing but a scribe. You are simply a person re-telling a story. Not making up your new one or adding in your own thoughts and ideas. I don't mind if they leave something out of the movie that was in the book (take Tom Bombadil for example), but altering the movie significantly for no known purpose....that is overstepping your bounds as a scribe.

I am still looking forward to the third movie though.

Yes, that is understandable, but when you are visualizing something that has only been described in words, then the "scribe" has the leeway to use their own imagination in the re-telling of the story. Take the Balrog, for example, no one had much of an idea what it would look like, and it is for that reason why we anticipated it's physical interpretation on film. Also, the ents were sometimes represented in paintings as no more than shaggy-looking old men. It is the interpretation of the scribe that made them have roots and leaves and branches. Personally, i think they're brilliant.
The only thing i can think of that the moviemakers have inflated is the love story between Aragorn and Arwen. If it was up to me, Liv Tyler wouldn't have nearly as much screen time.
Either way, the so called "scribes" have absolute power in the re-telling of the story, and i think that aids in the excitement of the movies-to see how they're represented.

I think you missed the point. I don't give a shit about what the characters look like, such as the Balrog or whatever. I mean hell the "dragons" the Nazgul (dark riders) were ridding were very explicitly described as "having feathers" in the book whereas in the movie they are scaled, lizard-like dragons. I don't care about that, he can interpret the Balrog and characters like that all he wants.

I'm talking about plot altering events he places in the movie that weren't in the book. Take for example Haldir again. The elf was so powerful he could have easily taken out half the Uruk-hai at Helms Deep....even though he wasn't even supposed to be there, and neither were the elves. Another decision of Peter's that I dislike (and where he overstepped his boundaries as a scribe again) was when he decided to completly alter Frodo's journey, and make Faramir a punk-ass. At the scene in Two Towers The Movie, when they were at the Forbiden pool with Faramir, Peter decides to complety make up his own story at this point. In the book Frodo and Sam were captured (as in the movie) and taken to Faramir (as in the movie)....this is where it gets off. In the book Faramir realizes that Frodo has the One Ring and resists it's power and temptation, letting Frodo, Sam and Gollum free to continue their journey. In the movie Faramir succumbs to the Ring like a trick-ass ho and decides to take Frodo miles and miles off his course and to the battle Osgiliath where that whole scene with him and the Nazgul takes place......for no discernable reason whatsoever. That is the huge part that I hate about Two Towers, was when Peter Jackson decides to completly write in his own chapter.

I don't mind that Aowen as more screen time. It makes sense that he expand on the love story between him and Aragorn since she only got about 4 lines in all three books. It makes sense that he aluded to Shelob (even though I think that dialogue was also in the book anyways).

Fellowship of the Ring was simply an amazing rendition of the novel and I loved it a lot.

Two Towers had a lot of things that Peter Jackson decided would be "cool" to add to/change/make up in Tolkiens work, which I disagreed with him heavily.

I am still looking forward to seeing the rendition of the last novel though.

Yeah the Faramir thing could have been done without, but the thing is that in the book to keep him as a nice "yes-man" would make the whole scene with him pointless to the plot, just like Tom Bombadil, even though we all liked him, he wasn't necessary.
I couldn't give a shit about Hamdril, he's mentioned like, twice in the book, though i think it WAS a shitty end for the 2-dimensional character that he is.
Whatever, Lord of the Rings is awesome, and so is Peter Jackson.
One more thing-in the preview Shelob doesnt look as big as she is described in the book.

Originally posted by IAmTheWalrus
Yeah the Faramir thing could have been done without, but the thing is that in the book to keep him as a nice "yes-man" would make the whole scene with him pointless to the plot, just like Tom Bombadil, even though we all liked him, he wasn't necessary.
I couldn't give a shit about Hamdril, he's mentioned like, twice in the book, though i think it WAS a shitty end for the 2-dimensional character that he is.
Whatever, Lord of the Rings is awesome, and so is Peter Jackson.
One more thing-in the preview Shelob doesnt look as big as she is described in the book.

I disagree. I don't claim to be a Tolkien scholar seeing as how I've only read the series once, but I think Faramir's integrety should have made it on the screen. It would show how different he and his brother are and give the audience an idea of how good he is. I also agree that the elves should not have been put in the battle for Helm's Deep. The whole reason it was cool in the book was because the men were out numbered and fought it out themselves. By adding the elves it's like Peter Jackson saying that the men couldn't win without some kind of help. That's my two cents.

Originally posted by PathRifter
Another decision of Peter's that I dislike (and where he overstepped his boundaries as a scribe again) was when he decided to completly alter Frodo's journey, and make Faramir a punk-ass. At the scene in Two Towers The Movie, when they were at the Forbiden pool with Faramir, Peter decides to complety make up his own story at this point. In the book Frodo and Sam were captured (as in the movie) and taken to Faramir (as in the movie)....this is where it gets off. In the book Faramir realizes that Frodo has the One Ring and resists it's power and temptation, letting Frodo, Sam and Gollum free to continue their journey. In the movie Faramir succumbs to the Ring like a trick-ass ho...

not only do i agree with you, but you called movie-faramir a "trick-ass ho"... i love you sometimes, path.

Exactly. Tyler said it perfectly. The thing that set Faramir apart from his brother was the he resisted the rings power.

The elves is....passable.....I can see him trying to alude to something such as maybe the elves re forging the aliance they had during the battle with Sauron. (also a discrepency in the way they showed it but oh well)

If you really REALLY want to speak to a Tolkien buff, ask Sneaky_Russian almost any question on the series. The man is a god.

Peter Jackson is my hero.

J.R.R. Tolkien is my hero.

TOLKIEN IS AWESOME!!! I can't wait to see the part with Sheleb the spider and of course the final battles.

Anyone reading the books while waiting for the movie? I finished Return of the King last weekend. I'm starting the Ruin Mist books now (third time) thinking about readiing the Silmarillion tho

I can't wait for the movie, I'm excited.

I've read the books a bunch of times, I know them pretty well now.

I'm getting frustrated waiting... i mean they finished shooting it 2 years ago. I am excited I hope peter jackson will make robert stanek's ruin mist books into movies too!!!

I'm going to see it.

Originally posted by ValamAlder
I'm getting frustrated waiting... i mean they finished shooting it 2 years ago.

You obviously have no idea how much goes into making a movie. It's only been recently that movie sequals/trilogies have been shot at the same time and released in close conjunction with each other, such as a year later. In most cases you'd have to wait 3+ years to see the next movie in the series. So you have no right to "get frustrated." You're not waiting that long, especially when you factor in how much time these people have put into the Lord of the Rings movies. Even if you don't like the movies you have to respect the amount of work has gone into them. Shooting a movie and then doing all the editing and special effects, especially the high quality and sheer amount of those in LOTR, is amazingly fast. I am totally impressed with how fast they have been churning out these movies, and I'm not one who is easily impressed. So ValamAlder, you just need to be patient and realize that more goes into making a movie than just shooting it.

I finished the books last year, but, unlike many people lately, i read them because they are famous books, not just because they are being made into movies.
And, yes, the finished shooting the principle movie 2 years ago, but every year they have reshoots and go through intense sfx development. It's amazing how fast they're churning out these movies.

If anyone is interested in the world premiere of the Return of the King happening here in Wellington (nz obviously), you can check out the webcam of the happenings at this site...

http://wellingtonnz.com/cam/

Man im proud to be a NZer...but i guess no one cares! I reckon the LOTR trilogy makes us look like a really pretty country...which we are :)

anyways check out that webcam :D

Never read any of the books. However, will probably check out the third movie.

I'm more looking forward to the third Harry Potter movie.

Originally posted by partybabe2003


Man im proud to be a NZer...but i guess no one cares! I reckon the LOTR trilogy makes us look like a really pretty country...which we are :)


We're stupid because we made such a big deal.
I love Peter Jackson, hes amazing and i love New Zealand.

But we're such a sad country.

how come we are a sad and stupid country?

I originally am from Europe and we moved here 9years ago, been back there twice and compared to many countries NZ is still like paradise to me :) and i appreciate it alot. there are more stupid/sad countries out there....but u should kno that coz ur a kiwi as well, anyway its good for tourism

Alright, remember how I was bitching about all the things I (and others) thought were wrong compared to the book or movie several posts back? Well if not read it again but I have been told some news about those things.

My roomate over the break had watched some kind of special about the movie where they talked about all the things they did with the movie compared to the book. One of the issues brought up, he says, was the issue of Faramir not resisting the Ring like he should have. They said, and this came directly from the writer, that: "It wouldn't make sense for this Ring which is supposed to be incredibly powerful, to not overtake this guy like it is being claimed could do to everyone." And, also in the exact words of my friend: So let me get this straight. You took an author who has more recognition and talent than you will at any point in your life. Took his world which he painstakingly created, took an event from those characters that he made, and then dissagreed with what he did with his own world and people? Are you fvcking kidding me?

They also said that the reason they didn't have Shelob in the 2nd movie, like she was in the 2nd book was because "it didn't make sense to have two climaxes in a movie"

So, kudos to some random writer who dissagreed with a man's world that he created and can have whoever he wants do whatever he wants. I am awaiting the 3rd movie, but I just don't know how they will cram in:

Gandalf getting the Stone of Isengard
Pipin contacting Sauron
Aragorn's Path of the Dead
Aragorn Revealing himself to Sauron
Aragon getting the Sword of Kings
Battle of Pelanor Feilds
Shelob's Lair
Sam getting Frodo back from the death trance
Frodo taking the Ring for his own
and The Scorching of the Shire

all in one movie. They are hard pressed for time, but I will probably still like the movie anyways. Unless Peter does something horribly stupid, like bring Boromir back to life or something.